Elzbieta PorteneuvePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:18 am
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| roseanne wrote: | Years ago, I had a birth record translated for Marcin's son Walenty. It mentioned a location of Blenna/Gogoty (Gogoly) and his occupation of cook.
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Roseanne,
SobeCki or SobeSki, and http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/ database
The stylish handwtitten document is confusing, SobeCki or SobeSki, if you know Marcin is SobeCki, do not loose him!
If Walenty is a son of Marcin, then it's important to have them both with the same name in Geneteka database.
We have in Genetaka Walenty SobeCki, born in 1827 (is he your Walenty?):
Księga - Urodzenia (U)
60 1827 12 Walenty Sobecki Karnkowo
and your Marcin recorded as SobeSki, passed away in 1843:
Księga Zgony (Z)
1843 12 Marcin Sobeski Błenna
Best,
Elzbieta
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roseanne
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:44 pm
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My Walenty was born in 1834; surname is Sobeski. I am attaching that record. In a previous chat, Dave sent an image of Sobeski listings retrieved from Geneteka. I could not access that same page no matter what I entered. But I believe the 1837 entry for (brak imenia) Sobeski is Walenty's brother, Maxymilian. I am attaching that record also. Even though there is no given name, I know he is my great grandfather because of other records I have linked. Later records have the surname spelled Sobecki. I hope this helps. Thank you.
Roseanne
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:07 pm
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Roseanne,
No doubt it is a male child (plci meskiej). Gogoły is next door to Blenna. Map attached.
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Elzbieta PorteneuvePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:05 am
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| roseanne wrote: | My Walenty was born in 1834; surname is Sobeski. I am attaching that record. In a previous chat, Dave sent an image of Sobeski listings retrieved from Geneteka. I could not access that same page no matter what I entered. But I believe the 1837 entry for (brak imenia) Sobeski is Walenty's brother, Maxymilian. I am attaching that record also. Even though there is no given name, I know he is my great grandfather because of other records I have linked. Later records have the surname spelled Sobecki. I hope this helps. Thank you.
Roseanne |
Roseanne,
I typed it in Polish, and made just a summary of facts in English.
I could access Genetka, and can confirm you that your record of Maxymilian is an exact copy of number 11 in the books.
One can easily see from those acts that the age is very approximative. It's better to deduce their age from the date of birth.
In 1834 Marcin Sobeski is 45, Anna Duchalska 30.
In 1837 Marcin Sobeski is 51, Anna Duchalska 40.
In 1843 Marcin Sobeski is 59, passing away.
Kind regards,
Elzbieta
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Walenty Sobeski
7.
Dzialo sie we wsi Blenna, dnia czternastego lutego tysiac osiemset trzydziestego czwartego roku o godzinie jedenastej przed poludniem. Stawil sie Marcin Sobeski, kucharz w Gogolach zamieszkaly, lat czterdziesci piec majacy, w obecnosci Szczepana Umielewskiego lat trzydziesci trzy, tudziez Jana Bialorzeckiego lat szescdziesiat dwa majacych, obydwoch komornikow w Gogolach zamieszkalych, i okazal nam dziecie plci meskiej, urodzone w Gogolach dnia osmego biezacego miesiaca i roku o godzinie dziesiatej wieczor z jego malzonki Anny z Duchalskich lat trzydziesci majacej. Dziecieciu temu na chrzcie swietym odbytym w dniu dzisiejszym nadane zostaly imiona Walenty Lucjan a rodzicami jego chrzestnymi byli Felix Swierczynski i Jozefa Nitowska. Akt ten stawiajacym i swiadkom przeczytany ktorzy pisac nie umieja przez nas podpisany zostal. A.F.Salomonski – parafii
14.02.1834 11:00 morning BAPTISM in Blenna
father Marcin Sobeski, cook, age 45
witness Szczepan Umielewski, komornik, age 33
witness Jan Bialorzecki, komornik, age 62
a boy, born 08.02.1834 at 22:00 in Gogoly
mother Anna Duchalska, age 30
boy names: Walenty Lucjan
Godparents: Felix Swierczynski i Jozefa Nitowska
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Maxymilian Sobeski
Numer 11 Gogoly
Dzialo sie we wsi Blenna, dnia dwudziestego osmego marca tysiac osiemset trzydziestego siodmego roku o godzinie czwartej po poludniu. Stawil sie Marcin Sobeski, kucharz w Gogolach zamieszkaly, lat piecdziesiat jeden majacy w obecnosci Jana Bieloruskiego, wyrobnika lat piecdziesiat dziewiec, tudziez Szymona Mytakowskiego komornika lat trzydziesci dwa majacego, w Gogolach zamieszkalych, i okazal nam dziecie plci meskiej urodzone w Gogolach dnia dwudziestego czwartego miesiaca i roku biezacego o godzienie czwartej rano z jego malzonki Anny z Duchalskich lat czterdziesci majacej. Dziecieciu temu na chrzcie swietym odbytym w dniu dziesiejszym nadane zostalo imie () a rodzicami jego chrzestnemi byli --- Augustyn Bogatko i – Janina Dabrowska. Akt ten stawiajacym i swiadkom przeczytany ktorzy pisac nie umieja przez nas podpisany zostal.
28.03.1837 16:00 BAPTISM in Blenna
father Marcin Sobeski, cook, age 51
witness Jan Bieloruski, laborer, age 59
witness Szymon Mytakowski, komornik, age 32
a boy, born 24.03.1834 at 04:00 morning in Gogoly
mother Anna Duchalska, age 40
boy names:
Godparents: Augustyn Bogatko i – Janina Dabrowska
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roseanne
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:18 pm
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Thank you Gilberto and Elzbieta for the information. I will try to access Geneteka again, but already have those records. Don't know why my search brought no results. Maybe I'm missing out on other searches I've done.
Roseanne
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