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Trish
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Posted: 4 Days ago at 9:41 am Post subject:

Sophia wrote:

Hi Gay, Trish and Barb,

Trish, the document you posted is a record from the Holland America Line showing the purchase of a ticket and the crucial details of the name of the ship (the Samland) and its date of sailing (departure 10 April 1911). The arrival manifest is on the website of the government of Canada, here:

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=paslisandborent&id=4580230&lang=eng&ecopy=e003897601

However, I am having a terrible time getting it to show up on my computer screen with sufficient resolution to be able to read it. What I can say is this: this incoming passenger list indexes him as "Heinrich Kornond." He is the last passenger on that page. It shows him as 26 years old, from Russia (the form does not ask for a city or town), and it says he is a farm laborer. He was headed to Winnipeg, Manitoba as you already know from what Trish posted. The very last column asks for religion. Scanning down the page, you can see some are "r. cath." (roman catholic), some "gr. cath." and others "greek" (both mean greek catholic). It is difficult to decipher for Heinrich, but given Barb's earlier comment, it may very well say "evang." for evangelical.

Sophia

Hi Sophia,

I finally found the manifest you provided above. I hope this is a better copy.

Warm regards,
Trish

ame Heinrich Kormond
Gender Male
Race Russian
Marital Status Single
Arrival Age 26
Birth Date abt 1885
Birth Place Russia
Arrival Date 22 Apr 1911
Arrival Port St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Final Destination Winnipeg
Ship Samland
Religion Evangelical
Occupation Farm labourer

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Posted: 4 Days ago at 5:29 pm Post subject:

Hello Trish, Barb and Sophia !
What a treat it is to wake up and have a message from you! I believed I had everything available since Henry immigrated but I had not seen that article before - one that gives a third birth date and states Zhitomer as his birth place. 23 March 1882, 12 March 1885 and 22 March 1885. As well, I did not know to look for Komond. The author of this article is Henry and Emma's seventh child, it may be from a local community history book and I may have a source for that. I have all children, etc. I was able to get a clear copy of Henry's arrival document, Henry did go directly to Alberta. The Winnipeg connection is an organization there that assisted immigrants. My interest now shifts to the Zhitomor records. I recently made a post about the Henschel / Henschell family and they, too, had connections to Zhitomor.
Thank you so much for all of your help, I am so grateful for it.
Cheers, Gay

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Posted: 4 Days ago at 6:03 pm Post subject:

Hi everyone,

I've found his baptism, thanks to an index by rootsweb. I should add that the image (which I have added below) is from one of the films that is found in the Family Search link that Barb provided earlier for the metrical books of 1843-1885, Evangelical Lutheran Church, Zhitomir.

Not sure why I am not getting a link directly to the page I want, but follow this link and then go to image #610. You will find him on line 31.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6P9S-753?cat=koha%3A1407428&view=explore&lang=en&groupId=M9SQ-4PN

His birth date as shown by rootsweb's index is 21 March 1882. Here is the rootsweb link:

https://sites.rootsweb.com/~ukrgs/volhynia/vol188xb.txt

Happy dance,
Sophia

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Posted: 4 Days ago at 6:37 pm Post subject:

In the column where the writing is vertical, there is a reference to Ludmiłówka, which was a colony near Zhytomyr. It appears as the name of the place where pastor Wasem baptized the last three children on this page of baptisms, so this is where the Komant family lived at that time. Ludmilowka is also in the list of villages that were part of Zhytomyr parish on that link I had provided to the SGGEE, which for convenience I will add again here (note that it also gives the names of all of the pastors over the years):

https://www.sggee.org/research/parishes/parish_histories/VolhyniaDiocese/ZhitomirParish/ZhitomirHist.html

I disagree with the indexer's statement that the mother's maiden name is not given in the record. It may say "Caroline geb. Lange." Barb, are you able to read it?

It would be very helpful if Michael could review this document.

Gay, Trish had asked about Heinrich's step-father. Do you know his name? It would enable us to find a ship manifest for him and Heinrich's mother.

Sophia

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Posted: Yesterday at 11:54 am Post subject:

Sophia wrote:

Hi everyone,

What I read in the document is:

Heinrich Kommont was born on 21 March at 4 o’clock a.m. and baptized the same day. [According to the column header the year was 1883, but there are entries from different years in this column.] His entry has no. 31. The parents were Kommont Friedrich et ux [and his wife] Caroline nee Lange, b. luth. [both of Lutheran Confession]. On this page three persons are named who performed the baptisms: Lack, Fesske and pastor Wasem. Pastor Wasem approved the baptisms of the other two persons, too. Heinrich was baptized by Lack in Ludmilewka, this was approved by pastor Wasem.

Hope this helps,
Michael

Trish
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Posted: Yesterday at 12:14 pm Post subject:

Kmichael8 wrote:

Sophia wrote:

Hi Michael,

Thank you so much for the translation. It was a big help!

Warm regards,
Trish

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Posted: Yesterday at 2:53 pm Post subject:

Kmichael8 wrote:

Hi Michael,

Thank you for the translation. It clears up a few points for me, especially regarding who actually performed the christening. Also, I had been able to read "Caroline geb. Lange" but I was not able to read "b. luth" which shows up for most (if not all) of the parents on that page so thanks for clarifying that.

Regarding the year, it is a bit of a puzzle. For the three children baptized in Ludmilowka, two of them clearly state 1882 but for Heinrich it does not give a year. I might interpret that as meaning he was also baptized in 1882, since his name is listed in the middle of the other two children. Or I might interpret that as meaning that he was baptized in 1883 since that is how the column is labelled. Or I might interpret it as meaning no one remembered which year it was (OK, maybe this third option is not very likely).

This will all be very happy news for Gay, who did not know Caroline's maiden name.

Another interesting point for me is that no siblings of Heinrich show up in the Rootsweb index.

All the best,
Sophia

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Posted: 11 hours ago at 8:13 pm Post subject:

Hi everyone,

Just to add one interesting detail. Returning to the Family Search online microfilm for baptisms, on the page right after Heinrich's baptism there is another baptism, for Ludwig Vitzinus. One of his godparents was Ludwig Kommont. It is possible that Ludwig was a brother of Heinrich's father Friedrich Kommont.

Sophia

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