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Trish
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Posted: Yesterday at 10:29 am Post subject:

Hi Sam and Sophia,

This is the information about the manifest I saw for Marya Piatkowska coming from Lubasz. Her father is Jan. She is going to Utica, New York.

I am not posting the image for I do not know if this the Marya that married Andrzej.

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Trish

Name Marya Piatkowska [Marya Piatkowski]
Gender Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality Polish
Marital Status Single
Age 18
Birth Date abt 1889
Birth Place Galicia
Other Birth Place Lubacz
Last Known Residence Lubasz, Galicy
Departure Port Bremen
Arrival Date 2 Aug 1907
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Galicia
Final Destination Utica, New York
Height 5 Feet
Hair Color Blonde
Eye Color Gray
Complexion Fair
Money in Possession $12
Person in Old Country Jan Piatkowski
Person in Old Country Relationship Father
Person in Old Country Residence Lubasz Szczncin Galicy
Person in US Florence Piatk
Person in US Relationship Cousin
Father Jan Piatkowski
Ship Name Bremen

Sophia
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Posted: Yesterday at 11:14 am Post subject:

Trish wrote:

Hi Trish and Sam,

Trish, in my opinion this manifest showing a Marya Piatkowska born in 1889 in Lubasz is most definitely the same as the Marya Piatkowska whose birth/baptism record I found, also from Lubasz, in 1889. Lubasz was such a small place.

Sophia

Sam

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Posted: Yesterday at 11:58 am Post subject:

Sophia and Trish,

Marya's father on her death certificate is named Stanley (Stanisław, Stan-Jan?), and the mother Agnieszka. My great-aunt Blanche gave the information; she died in 2011, and I never had the pleasure of knowing her personally, although I imagine she knew her mother about as well as anyone.

Three of Andrzej's adult children lived in Union City, N.J., in 1940. The address on the Alien Registration belongs to my great-aunt Charlotte (Mrs. Joseph Sammataro). What frustrates me is that I cannot find them on the 1940 census. But Andrzej is back in Pa. by 1942 according to WWII draft registration and would remain a Bentleyville resident for the rest of his life.

The manifest is indeed interesting. I believe I saw it some time ago while researching on Ancestry. Of course the village Lubasz meant nothing to me then, although DNA evidence does point in its direction.

I find the dates interesting too. For birth we have 10 September on the baptismal record and 8 September on the American records. For immigration we have a 1 August date on the alien registration and a 2 August for the 1907 manifest. On the 1920 census Marya gives 1908 as her arrival year.

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Posted: Yesterday at 1:06 pm Post subject:

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Hi Sam and Sophia,

Sam, it sounds like you do not have a subscription to ancestry.com. I do so I'm posting the manifest that I found for Marya. It's a two page manifest. Marya is on line #9. If I'm not mistaken there are two other people coming from Lubasz also traveling with Marya. I need Sophia's eyes to verify this information.

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Trish

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Posted: 4 hours ago at 10:31 am Post subject:

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Hi Trish,

You're quite right. Marya travelled with two other Marya's from Lubasz. Line 7 is Marya Nowak (daughter of Stanislaw Nowak) and line 8 is Marya Kotton who lists her brother Jan as her nearest relative back in Lubas. Both of these other two Marya's are headed to Adams, Massachusetts, whereas our Marya Piatkowska is headed for Utica. Or was she? The next few people on the line beneath her were all headed to Utica, and in fact for both Marya Piatkowska and that next group the manifest goes on to state that they are headed to New York Mills which is near Utica. Since this group are not from Lubasz, I am wondering if the manifest writer just added that Utica notation a bit higher in the column than he intended and that Marya Piatkowska was actually going to Adams, MA with her two friends.

At any rate, our Marya Piatkowska (Sam, do you like how we treat her as family now??) was going to her cousin Marya Bielaszka so if one was able to find where Marya Bielaszka was living, it would be clearer as to which city Marya Piatkowska was going. This Marya Bielaszka shows up in the baptism records that I gave you the link to the other day. She was born in 1886. I am including here a screenshot of her baptism because it has a very interesting note on it. You will see that when she married in the U.S., the priest who married her did follow the requirement of notifying her home parish about the marriage (this was not always done). You see by Maria Bielaszka's name the notation that she married ("cop. in America 1911").

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Posted: 4 hours ago at 11:10 am Post subject:

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Trish wrote:

Hi Sophia,

I believe I found the manifest for Marya Bielaszka. I believe it says Lubasz on the manifest. Marya is on line #22. Does this help firgure out where Marya Piatkowska was going?

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Trish

Name Marya Bielaska
Gender Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality Polish
Marital Status Married
Age 20
Birth Date abt 1886
Last Known Residence Lubbock, Apaliey
Departure Port Bremen
Arrival Date 17 May 1906
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Galicy, Poland
Final Destination New York City
Money in Possession 11
Person in US Andrey Bielaska
Person in US Relationship Cousin
Ship Name Prinzess Alice

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Posted: 3 hours ago at 12:17 pm Post subject:

Trish and Sophia,

I probably won't renew my Ancestry subscription until later this year. And I don't mind Sophia, if you are as interested in solving these questions as I am. A note I have gives her first name as "Marya," which seems distinct from the usual Marianna.

I think I've found a hit for Marya Bielaszka in terms of immigration. She's on line 4 of the manifest, born at Wójcina (west of Lubasz), joining an uncle at Three Rivers, Mass. Coincidentally, my grandfather (Marya P.'s son) was discharged from the USAAF at Westover base not far from the former place after WWII.

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Posted: 2 hours ago at 12:52 pm Post subject:

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Marya's father on her death certificate is named Stanley (Stanisław, Stan-Jan?), and the mother Agnieszka. My great-aunt Blanche gave the information; she died in 2011, and I never had the pleasure of knowing her personally, although I imagine she knew her mother about as well as anyone.

Hi Sam and Sophia,

Sam, I believe Marya (Maria/Marianna) Piatkowska's parents are Jan and Agnes. I searched the Tarnow Roman Catholic Diocese Church Books, 1612-1900 which are on ancestry.com. I could not find any children being born to a Stanislaw and Agnieszka. I'm still wondering if the death record for Marya Piatkowska should of been Jan instead of Stan? (Note: My mother’s grandmother has the wrong name for her father listed. It should have been James, but the hospital put Russell down. I don’t think anyone back then knew how to get a death record corrected.)

I found a brother to Marya with the same parents names on the record Sophia provided for Marya. The birth information is only indexes.

Name Laurentius Piatkowski
Gender Male
Baptism Date 17 lip 1887 (17 Jul 1887)
Baptism Place Lubasz, Lubasz, Kraków, Poland
House Number 7
Page number 221
Entry Number 24
Father Joannes Piatkowski
Mother Agnes Romanowski
FHL Film Number 1898357

On Geneteka, there are several children of Jan Piatkowski and Agnieszka Romanowska who died.

https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=D&w=06mp&rid=D&search_lastname=piatkowski&search_name=&search_lastname2=romanowska&search_name2=&from_date=1889&to_date=1902

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Trish

Sam

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Posted: 1 hour ago at 1:28 pm Post subject:

Trish,

I've always found names listed on death certificates to be one of the more mystifying sources in genealogy.

I did see Laurentius' records on Geneteka. Born Wawrzyniec at House No. 7, Lubasz, 14 July 1887, died in infancy, 16 March 1889. Another son, Wojciech, died in infancy in 1902.

Furthermore, it would seem the father, Jan Piątkowski, was born 29 May 1863 to Łukasz and Katarzyna, at Lubasz. He became a widower and remarried in 1921.

Edit: I didn't see the Geneteka link before I posted, my mistake!

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