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Posted: 6 Days ago at 5:16 am
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A bit more about St. Stanislaus Kostka records. You see the list of them here:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/catalog/koha:411138
And you will notice that some years have been indexed, and other years have not. With the orphan idea in mind, I decided to take a look at the non-indexed years for the death records, specifically the 1895-1902 group of deaths and then in the 1874-1895 group of death records I looked at years from 1892 onward since that is when the Cieslak and Zurawicz families arrived. I found nothing for your family. There was a Cieslak family, father's name Andrzej and mother's name Honorata, who had some children who died (Sylwester in 1895 and Weronika in 1900). A Cecylja Cieslak died, age 11, daughter of Walenty Cieslak and Konstancja Pawlak. There is no reason to think they are connected to you. However, now that we know not all years of the church books were indexed, you may want to see if the same was true for the other churches that the Cieslak family may have attended, to try to substantiate the orphan hypothesis.
Sophia
P.S. Having now had sufficient coffee, I should clarify what I said earlier. It is not that the years 1874-1895 and 1895-1902 are not indexed for St. Stan's, but to see the indices you have to open the microfilms and look at them there. Death records for subsequent years 1902-1911 and 1911-1915 were indexed by Family Search, so you can use the Family Search search function to find people in those years. You cannot do that for the 1874-1895 and 1895-1902 records.
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SophiaPO Top Contributor
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Posted: 6 Days ago at 1:38 pm
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Hi again,
I want to add that I found the section on the cause of death on Anthony Fisher's death certificate to be far more detailed than usual. It took me a little while to decipher it. All quite interesting.
I am not sure what to make of Warsaw being given as the place of birth. Often, for Polish immigrants, this part of the death certificate just says Poland and does not give a town or city.
Sophia
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TrishPO Top Contributor
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Posted: 4 Days ago at 9:27 am
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Hi Everyone!
There is a tree on family search for the Zurawicz/Fisher family. They are listed under Fisher. The tree should be corrected with the correct surname of Zurawicz and Cieslak with adding the notation the family changed their name to Fisher. Also, I would contact the people who posted the information on this tree. They may be related and have more insight on the family.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/G4FY-2FF
I also found this interesting for the Cieslak family. I'm wondering if this "Joe" is really Jozef Cieslak, brother of Ksawera. It's something to think about and put in a folder of possibilities.
Name Joe Cieslak
Birth Date abt 1872
Death Date 3 Feb 1943
Death Place Blairsville, Williamson, Illinois
Death Age 71
Gender Male
Father Name Stanley Cieslak
Spouse Name Agnes Cieslak
FHL Film Number 1983448
Regards,
Trish
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SophiaPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 7:31 am
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I agree with Trish that it would be helpful to contact the people who were putting together that Fisher/Cieslak tree. It is not obvious from the source documents why they made the connection between the two surnames so the hope is, as Trish suggested, that they have family stories about the name change.
I will add one more detail. As far as census records go, the family already used the name Fisher in 1910. However, I looked in the PGSA website which lets you search Jubilee books from churches and it shows the family still using the Zurawicz name in 1917:
https://pgsa.org/results/?pgsa_search=other_search&surname=Zurawicz&first_name&type=match-first&records=jubileeother
I do not think it was so unusual for people who changed their names to use both for a while, so I am not especially bothered by this, but it is interesting to see it.
Sophia
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TrishPO Top Contributor
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| JFalejczyk wrote: | Hey everyone,
I just wanted to thank you for the bottom of my heart for all working together on this, I am absolutely amazed that you guys were able to figure this out. I agree that the coinciding evidence of the places of birth, the parents' names, and Sylvia being there puts a pretty positive ID on this being her family.
My next questions, which I'll be researching and posting updates here on, mostly have to do with what happened to her family after they arrived. The documents indicate they were headed for Illinois, and I have to imagine they got there if Sylvia ended up spending the rest of her life in Chicago. However, the story I was told by multiple family members is that Sylvia was an orphan, it was always just ambiguous if she was orphaned in Poland or the United States. And now based on the evidence shared, we can assume she was orphaned sometime after her family arrived in the US. I've been browsing FamilySearch and FindAGrave for the past few hours and I can't find a single thing on her parents or siblings, every lead has been a false ID thus far. This all really makes me wonder what happened to her family, and if their documents are somewhere out there (perhaps under hard-to-trace names), or if they really kinda disappeared from records and what the reasons of that could be.
I wonder who she might be living with in her 1900 census entry, if it can be found, and I think that's what I'll be hunting for next. I just want to thank you guys again for this discovery though, it's been a dead end for me since I began researching in 2020 and I'm seriously impressed. |
Hi Everyone,
Stanislaw Cieslak got remarried in Chicago. I cannot make out the name of the second wife. The parents for Stanislaw match up per Geneteka.
https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=eng&bdm=S&w=05ld&rid=1546&search_lastname=cie%C5%9Blak&search_name=stanis%C5%82aw&search_lastname2=s*&search_name2=ag*&from_date=&to_date=&rpp1=&ordertable=
I am attaching the marriage record for Stanislaw with the transcription from FindMyPast.
Then I found a death record for Agnieszka. I am attaching it. The record and transcription is from FindMyPast. However, the year of birth states 1841, but I think I found Agnieszka’s death on family search. Thd date of death matches the record I am posting.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGNF-PPW2?lang=en
I found this this possible death information for Jozef Cieslak. This could be Ksawera's oldest brother. The year of birth is about right. The parents' names are Stanley (Stanislaw) and Agnes (Agnieszka). Does anyone have an opioion on this being Jozef?
Death Information
Name Joe Cieslak
Birth Date abt 1872
Death Date 3 Feb 1943
Death Place Blairsville, Williamson, Illinois
Death Age 71
Gender Male
Father Name Stanley Cieslak
Spouse Name Agnes Cieslak
FHL Film Number 1983448
This means the family stayed in Illinois.
Regards,
Trish
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