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VivianR1

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Posted: 22 hours ago at 1:27 pm Post subject: Bobrowniki or Tłuchowo parish records

Hoping someone here has worked this specific area and hit the same wall. My family is from the villages around Tłuchowo and Bobrowniki, Lipno county — Dobrzyń country, historically Płock Gubernia under Russian rule, today kujawsko-pomorskie voivodeship. Under German occupation this fell in Regierungsbezirk Zichenau, annexed directly into East Prussia in October 1939 (not Reichsgau Wartheland, which is the more commonly discussed annexed zone).

I'm missing birth records for two women born there — one around 1887, one around 1894–95 — and PolishOrigins wasn't able to locate either one in an earlier project. Separately, I ran a free geneteka sweep this month on three of their siblings (all born in Bobrowniki, 1880–1883) across both kujawsko-pomorskie and mazowieckie, and got zero hits specifically for Bobrowniki or Tłuchowo parish itself — while the same searches turned up plenty of noise everywhere else. That pattern reads to me like "this parish just isn't transcribed online yet," not "the register is gone," but I'd rather ask people who actually know this region than guess.

So: has anyone researched Bobrowniki or Tłuchowo parish specifically (or Lipno county more generally) and run into this? A few things I'd love input on:

Do the civil/parish registers for this area and era (roughly 1878–1895) still exist — either at the parish, or the Archiwum Państwowe duplicate copy — or were they damaged/destroyed during the WWII occupation?
If they exist but just aren't indexed on geneteka, does anyone know which archive holds them and how to browse them directly (unit numbers, an AP Toruń/Włocławek finding aid, anything)?
Is there a known pattern for Zichenau-zone parishes specifically — better or worse survival than Wartheland-zone parishes — or is it too spotty to generalize?

Appreciate any leads — happy to share what I find back with the group

Sophia
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Posted: 21 hours ago at 2:26 pm Post subject:

Hi Vivian,

From what I can see, both Bobrowniki and Tłuchowo are indexed on Geneteka for the years you are looking for, and both include scans of the original church books.

I am guessing that you did your search using the names of the women you are researching. I did the search using no names, just to see what Geneteka shows for those years. Attached is a screen shot with Tłuchowo as an example, so you can get the idea of what I am seeing.

If you'd like help to look for these specific people, feel free to post their names. If you'd really rather do the research yourself, then try doing the Geneteka search the way I did, and scanning down the list in the table of results. You may find them with an unexpected spelling.

Best regards,
Sophia

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VivianR1

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Posted: 20 hours ago at 3:26 pm Post subject: Bobrowniki or Tłuchowo Parish Record Availability

Thank you so very much for your reply! I would love some help.

My great-grandparents Ludwik Wiliński and Marcjanna Skibińska had eight children in the Włocławek/Kujawy region (Karchocin and Wnisławice villages, Kłóbka parish) between 1878 and 1895. My grandfather Walter (Władysław) Wiliński emigrated in 1913; two of his sisters' fates are already known (Agnieszka – Kwiatkowska, and the youngest, Stanisława, whose married name and wartime story I'm tracking separately). Four sisters remain unresolved:

Antonina Wilińska, b. 30 April 1878, Karchocin
Józefa Wilińska, b. 30 April 1879, Karchocin
Waleria Wilińska, b. 14 February 1887, Wnisławice
Bronisława Wilińska, b. 13 August 1892, Wnisławice

The research question I'd like scoped and quoted: for each of these four, establish a continuous life record from birth through death – specifically including whether she survived WW1 and the German occupation of the Włocławek area (1914–1918) and the Polish-Soviet War (1919–1921), not just what happened to her in WW2. I'm not assuming they made it that far, and I'd like the research to test that rather than assume it.

What do you advise?

Thank you so much for any assistance!

Vivian

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Posted: 7 hours ago at 4:36 am Post subject:

Hi Sophia and Vivian,
I have spent some time researching the Kłóbka parish.

First, I would ask Sophia, who is the map expert, to verify the two places you mention as the birthplaces of Ludwik and Marianna's children. I think they areUnisławice (not Wnisławice) and Charchocin (not Karchocin).

Here are my findings and answers to some of your questions:
Antonina was born on May 30, 1878 (not 30 April). She died as an infant on June 26, 1878 in Charchocin.
Marianna was born on 21 January 1882 and died in Włocławek on November 7, 1962.
Waleria died at the age of four on June 15, 1891 in Unisławice. She is recorded under the name Walentyna, but the age, location, and her parents' names all match.

Since two of the children, Agnieszka and Stanisława, were married in Włocławek, this may indicate that Ludwik and his family moved there. It would therefore be worthwhile to search for additional records in the parish registers or other archives in that city.

Regards,
-Barb

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Posted: 6 hours ago at 4:55 am Post subject:

BarbOslo wrote:

Hi Barb and Vivian,

I wonder whether Wnisławice is really Więsławice. The Geneteka indexer of the Kłóbka parish used that spelling once, for a record from 1794, but it is not very local. Unisławice makes more sense. I will see if I can find a map for this area, Barb, as that should be helpful.

Vivian, I am a bit confused here. Your first post mentioned that you were looking for birth records for two women in Bobrowniki and Tłuchowo but your second post is for four women in villages served by the Kłóbka parish. Can you please clarify?

Sophia

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Posted: 5 hours ago at 5:54 am Post subject:

Map!

I am attaching a snippet from a map, in which I have highlighted Kłóbka, Charchocin and Unisławice.

Here is a link to the whole map:

https://polona.pl/item-view/ae817691-a416-4338-9e88-bb3dd759089a?page=0

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VivianR1

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Posted: 2 hours ago at 8:52 am Post subject:

Sophia and Barb,

First, thank you both so much! This can feel like such a lonely journey.

I have all of their birth records. It is their life story arc that I am curious about, which includes their death records.

Barb, Thank you so much for the information about the deaths! I wish that I could attached the copy of the birth records that I have to make sure that they are correct - such as the birth date for Antonia.I have been using AI to help me translate and I guess it could be making mistakes but since I can't read the Russian I don't know. It seems that the only ones who made it to adulthood would be my grandfather Walter/Wladyslaw, Marianna, Agnieszka and Stanisława.

So the cause of my issues was the wrong city?

Vivian

BarbOslo
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Posted: 1 hour ago at 10:03 am Post subject:

Hi,
It is not always the best idea to use AI for translation, as it often introduces errors. Yes, the correct place names are Charchocin and Unisławice. Sophia has posted a map, and you can see there that both places are quite close to Kłóbka.

If you would like more help or a response to your first post, you'll need to explain your question in a bit more detail.

-Barb

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