TedMack
Joined: 12 Jun 2020
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Posted: 5 Days ago at 2:29 am
Post subject: Latin Record Translation
G'day Dave
Back again - I seem to struggle more with marriage records - abbreviations and some new terminology. Can you please check these and let me know where I have gone wrong.
village Rosocha, par. Osiek Wielki, Koło 1777
1st November, itself a feast day (All Saints Day) abbr? abbr? after the proclamation of all 3 banns the hardworking Gabryel (Lewandowski), servant from the estate, bachelor, and Kanstancya Lorykowna, maiden, from this parish, received the sacraments of marriage, and no Canonical impediment standing in the way they were blessed before the witnesses present, Wojciech Potwora, Marcin Gayda, Wojciech & Bartłomiej Ciepły.
village Podlesie, par. Osiek Wielki, Koło 1779
On the same day as above (31st January) I as above Curate of this place after the proclamation of three banns before the people present and the divine audience, hardworking Jan Wiecżorek from Dźierawy, bachelor and Marianna Ciepła, maiden, received the sacraments of marriage, they were brought together by mutual consent before the witnesses present Marcin & Antoni Gaydow, Kazimierz Zawada, Wojciech Potwora, and no Canonical impediment standing in the way ???? (something about property?) they were blessed in St Matris church?
village Podlesie, par. Osiek Wielki, Koło 1770
Left Margin – unknown reference
Body of entry: On 19th November I as above after the proclamation of 3 banns married hardworking Bartłomej Ciepły and Elżbieta Zawadźianka, maiden, in the presence of those present and by mutual consent and no Canonical impediment standing in the way blessed before the witnesses present Wojciech Snonieczny from Ruchana, Wojiech Ciepły and Marcin and other colonists.
Full page records and cropped.
Cheers
Ted
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TedMack
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Posted: 5 Days ago at 2:30 am
Post subject: Latin Record Translation
And the missing full page
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TedMack
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2026 7:16 am
Post subject: Latin Record Translation
G'day Dave
I'm going through translating some B&B records and have been stumped by a name the priest has added to a record. I make the name to be "Thaumarurgu" with an abbreviation mark. This has me stumped. The best I can come up with is that it is a reference to 'Thaumas' an ancient greek sea God. Could it be an attempt at being cute and it should be Thomae?
Just wondering if you have ever come across this before?
Or should I say "it's all Greek to me" as in Shakespeare's play Julius Caesar and just ignore it.
"Graecum est, non legitur"
Cheers
Ted
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dnowickiPO Top Contributor
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Location: Michigan City, IndianaBack to top |
Posted: Yesterday at 1:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Latin Record Translation
| TedMack wrote: | G'day Dave
I'm going through translating some B&B records and have been stumped by a name the priest has added to a record. I make the name to be "Thaumarurgu" with an abbreviation mark. This has me stumped. The best I can come up with is that it is a reference to 'Thaumas' an ancient greek sea God. Could it be an attempt at being cute and it should be Thomae?
Just wondering if you have ever come across this before?
Or should I say "it's all Greek to me" as in Shakespeare's play Julius Caesar and just ignore it.
"Graecum est, non legitur"
Cheers
Ted |
Hi Ted,
The simple one first… Thaumaturgus distinguishes his patron saint, Gregory Thaumaturgus (Gregory the Miracle-Worker) from the many other saints named Gregory. He is also known as Gregory of Neocaesarea. His feast day and thus the child’s Name Day is November 17. Gregorius Thaumaturgus is the Latin form of the saint’s name in Greek, Γρηγόριος ὁ Θαυματουργόs. The dude lived during the 3rd Century when the common language of the Roman Empire and the entire known world at that time was still Greek rather than Latin.
The marriage records will require a longer and more detailed explanation since they employ a style and vocabulary you have not previously seen. The usual records have more in common with the straightforward historical prose of Caesar whereas these records have more in common with the complex oratorical style of Golden Age Latin.
My response has been delayed due to weather issues during the past two weeks. Severe storms have trained from the southern suburbs of Chicago across Northwest Indiana. Our immediate area has been spared the worst but strong thunderstorms knocked out our electrical power for two days this past week—thus no lights, no internet, and, worst of all, no AC. It has rained every day for the past two weeks with temps between 86 & 90 degrees Fahrenheit (30-32 degrees Celsius). The rain, heat and humidity has resulted in massive growth of garden plants. Since I grow heirloom indeterminate tomatoes it has been necessary to increase the height of their supports together with harvesting ripe fruits. Thus I can paraphrase Scrooge...My garden occupies me constantly. I will explain the marriage docs as soon as I can.
A question about your garden pests...are foxes an imported invasive species in Australia? It sounds like you need Elmer Fudd’s shotgun to deal with those pesky foxes.
Until (relatively) soon,
Dave
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TedMack
Joined: 12 Jun 2020
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Location: Sydney, AustraliaBack to top |
Posted: Yesterday at 2:10 am
Post subject: Re: Latin Record Translation
| dnowicki wrote: | | TedMack wrote: | G'day Dave
I'm going through translating some B&B records and have been stumped by a name the priest has added to a record. I make the name to be "Thaumarurgu" with an abbreviation mark. This has me stumped. The best I can come up with is that it is a reference to 'Thaumas' an ancient greek sea God. Could it be an attempt at being cute and it should be Thomae?
Just wondering if you have ever come across this before?
Or should I say "it's all Greek to me" as in Shakespeare's play Julius Caesar and just ignore it.
"Graecum est, non legitur"
Cheers
Ted |
Hi Ted,
The simple one first… Thaumaturgus distinguishes his patron saint, Gregory Thaumaturgus (Gregory the Miracle-Worker) from the many other saints named Gregory. He is also known as Gregory of Neocaesarea. His feast day and thus the child’s Name Day is November 17. Gregorius Thaumaturgus is the Latin form of the saint’s name in Greek, Γρηγόριος ὁ Θαυματουργόs. The dude lived during the 3rd Century when the common language of the Roman Empire and the entire known world at that time was still Greek rather than Latin.
The marriage records will require a longer and more detailed explanation since they employ a style and vocabulary you have not previously seen. The usual records have more in common with the straightforward historical prose of Caesar whereas these records have more in common with the complex oratorical style of Golden Age Latin.
My response has been delayed due to weather issues during the past two weeks. Severe storms have trained from the southern suburbs of Chicago across Northwest Indiana. Our immediate area has been spared the worst but strong thunderstorms knocked out our electrical power for two days this past week—thus no lights, no internet, and, worst of all, no AC. It has rained every day for the past two weeks with temps between 86 & 90 degrees Fahrenheit (30-32 degrees Celsius). The rain, heat and humidity has resulted in massive growth of garden plants. Since I grow heirloom indeterminate tomatoes it has been necessary to increase the height of their supports together with harvesting ripe fruits. Thus I can paraphrase Scrooge...My garden occupies me constantly. I will explain the marriage docs as soon as I can.
A question about your garden pests...are foxes an imported invasive species in Australia? It sounds like you need Elmer Fudd’s shotgun to deal with those pesky foxes.
Until (relatively) soon,
Dave |
Thanks Dave
That was rather simple - obviously my Google search was poor.
Pity about those storms - we seem to get our severe storms mainly in Spring (although we do occasionally get them later in summer). You must be very patient with your tomatoes, or you don't have any pests to control.
Foxes were introduced as were rabbits by the British mainly for their recreational sport, there were no natural enemies so they flourished and were declared pests within 20 years- Elmer would have been in his element many years ago - now you need a license (at cost of course) to do anything. They mainly bait the foxes, so the native wildlife has rejuvenated, good in the natural environments but not suited to urban sprawl. A bit like eucalyptus trees, great in the forests but deadly in the suburbs - they lose limbs quite easily in strong winds and the oil within burns well.
When time permits for those marriage records.
Cheers
Ted
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