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BarbOslo
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:35 am Post subject:

Yes, it is this one. You will not find this online. Can send it to you if you want.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:13 am Post subject:

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Also found a Hubert Baranski in kujawsko pomorskie. He was also born in 1916, but his date of birth is actually September 8 and his father's name is Wladyslaw. Is 1915 a safe year of birth?
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Interestingly, the marriage certificate was from Blackpool. There was a Polish Air Force Headquarters in Blackpool, and there was a Wienczyslaw Baranski there in 1944. He had quite the impressive career:
https://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/Baranski.htm

Hi Stewart, Barb, and Sophia,

Barb, to answer your question, I saw the obituary for Leo Hubert Baranski. He died 17 May 2000 and was 84 years old. The only other information listed is the name of his spouse (who is deceased) and his 4 children.

Sophia, very interesting information about the Polish Air Force Headquarters in Blackpool.

Stewart, could there be a natualization record for Leo Hubert Baranski?

Regards,
Trish

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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:16 am Post subject:

No I couldn't find any naturalisation record for him Trish. Re the birth date I must have got it from Findmypast or Ancestry if it wasnt the obituary, can't think where else

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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:27 am Post subject:

Trish, there is other useful information in this obituary from 2000.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:20 pm Post subject:

BarbOslo wrote:

Trish, there is other useful information in this obituary from 2000.
-Barb

Hi Barb,

There is little information on Leo Hubert Baranski's obituary. I am attaching it. I did not find one for his wife. All I know is his wife Jessie died 14 March 1997.

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Trish

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Sophia
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:23 am Post subject:

stewart wrote:

BarbOslo wrote:

Also found a Hubert Baranski in kujawsko pomorskie. He was also born in 1916, but his date of birth is actually September 8 and his father's name is Wladyslaw. Is 1915 a safe year of birth?
-Barb

I think I got the birth date from his newspaper obituary

Hi Stewart,

It does not look like the birth date came from the newspaper obituary. When you are collecting data from so many sources, it can be useful to make a notation of where each piece of information came from. I looked at the whole conversation that you are having about Leo Hubert Baranski here:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=890790.0

But I do not see his birth date mentioned there. Perhaps you saw it in some kind of index, where you ordered the death certificate from?

Best regards,
Sophia

stewart

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 6:41 am Post subject:

Sophia wrote:

stewart wrote:

BarbOslo wrote:

Also found a Hubert Baranski in kujawsko pomorskie. He was also born in 1916, but his date of birth is actually September 8 and his father's name is Wladyslaw. Is 1915 a safe year of birth?
-Barb

I think I got the birth date from his newspaper obituary

I saw it at MyHeritage. Anyway that's the birth date on his death certificate which I've just received and which annoyingly for his place of birth just says 'Poland'

stewart

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Posted: Yesterday at 9:41 am Post subject:

Geneteka is very frustrating, I still can't find Leo Hubert Baranski there. His death certificate gives his dob as 8th September 1915 and his marriage certificate has his age at 32 on 10th July 1948 which seems to confirm the year of his birth as 1915. His death certificate simply has 'Poland' as place of birth. His name is written as Leo Hubert Baranski on both certificates. Since my last post I have located and contacted one of his sons who says Leo's father was Wladyslaw Baranski b circa 1890 (but I found 5 people with that name for that exact year) and Leo's mother was called Agnieszka but I can't see any marriage with those 2 names in what I thought was a reasonable guess as to its likely time frame 1908-1915. I also found 6 Agnieszka Baranska who'd died between 1918 and 1972 and some have a little italic 'i' next to the name and when you click on it it says 'inne nazwiska' which translates as 'other names' but does it really mean maiden name? I'm going to contact Leo's son again and I wondered if anyone can suggest what questions are best to ask to try and get the correct information from Geneteka?

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Posted: Yesterday at 2:47 pm Post subject:

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Hi Stewart,

There was an era in my family research that I was looking at ship arrival manifests, day in and day out. I got quite comfortable searching the Ellis Island database using various tools and techniques. One immigrant just eluded me, although I tried searching through that database with grim determination for about a week. Finally, it dawned on me that the Ellis Island database only covers arrivals at the port of New York. Five minutes after that thought dawned on me, I found my elusive immigrant on a manifest (you guessed it....) arriving at the port of Baltimore! All this is just to say that Geneteka is what it is. If the church you are looking for happens be there and the years you need are available and it all is completely indexed, then Geneteka is a wonderful resource. But not everything is on there. Some records may never be on there.

As disheartening as it may sound, your only way to solve this is to know where Leo Hubert Baranski was born. I remember that at one point you were having a parallel discussion on another forum. Someone there suggested this:

"You could apply to the Blackpool Superintendent Registrar's Office and ask for scans of the original:-
Marriage Register entry.
The Licence Application.
The Marriage Schedule."

Did you follow this suggestion to get the licence application or the marriage schedule?

Wishing you better luck than you've had,
Sophia

stewart

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Posted: 10 hours ago at 8:13 am Post subject:

Thanks Sophia, Yes I'm hoping his son will bring some clarity to Leo's birthplace. I had contacted Blackpool Registry and asked for those items and they responded "Any information that is taken at Notice of Marriage, is what is produced onto the marriage certificate. So there would be no differentiating information, and the Superintendent Registrar certificate is just the marriage certificate." The Notice of Marriage is just another name for the Licence application, and the Superintendent Registrar certificate is what the Marriage Schedule was called in 1948.

What about 'inne nazwiska' can I assume it means maiden name?

Stewart

Sophia
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Posted: 9 hours ago at 8:48 am Post subject:

stewart wrote:

Hi Stewart,

The indication on Geneteka of "inne nazwiska" is used in a few ways. Sometimes it is exactly what you are saying, a woman's maiden name. Other times it is used when the indexer had difficulty with reading a name and they are presenting an alternative interpretation of the spelling. If you see a surname Skwarzeńska and the inne nazwiska is Skwarazynska then you know it is an interpretation issue or an acknowledgement that the surname appears most of the time in the latter form and the indexer is trying to show that the way it is spelled in that record may be a one-off. If it's something like Brozińska with the inne nazwiska of Chojnacka, you can usually interpret that as a maiden name. I don't have an example handy, but I think I have also seen the inne nazwiska used when a child was born out of wedlock so the original record will have their surname matching the mother's surname and a notation that the father later acknowledged paternity, so the indexer is using inne nazwiska to show both surnames.

If there is anyone reading this who has access to the instructions given to Geneteka's indexers, we could clear up that last point.

I'm sorry to hear that the Blackpool Registry did not have any additional document to help you. If any other bright ideas occur to me, I'll post again.

Best regards,
Sophia

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