Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2026 6:16 pm
Post subject: Marriage of Anna Grahl and Friedrich Netlitz
Can someone please translate the 1885 marriage record for Anna Grahl and Friedrich Netlitz?
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2026 10:29 am
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I've attached both the German text, as far as I could make it out, and the English translation.
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2026 5:34 pm
Post subject: Marriage of Anna Grahl and Friedrich Netlitz
Thank you very much TorSee for both the German and English translations.
Could Anna's date of birth be the 19th? Could her address be 6 Christianistrasse? And could her father Carl's occupation be a factor (manager)?
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2026 4:19 am
Post subject: Marriage of Anna Grahl and Friedrich Netlitz
Hi Blue,
you are right: The date of birth is the 19th ("neunzehnter"), and indeed also today there is a street in Kiel named "Christianistraße".
Indeed one could read the father's occupation as "Faktor", but I don't know what it is.
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2026 7:12 am
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Thanks again TorSee, much appreciated.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2026 2:11 pm
Post subject: Wonderful German Script!
I know, too much info.
Need help in at least 4 ? marks.
Have this so far to give you an idea of where I am going.
Evidently, this forum does not like Sutterlin script
Twardawa
Septmbr
Caspair
Blasius FilipczykTwardawa
CarolinaLamatsch
Michael KwossekTwardawa
Ignatz DziadekOrganist
Alex NamysloSchwes-
terwitz.
TEXT
1796 Der 20th Septembr
Sind allhier von mir G.D. copulirt getraut (und ?
der ehrbare Junggesell Caspair ehel. Sohn des.
Blasius Filipczyk der bauer zu Twardawa mit
der ehrbaren Carolina geb. Lamatsch hinter-
lassenen Wittwe nach dem Verstorbenen
Michael Kwossek Schullehrer in Twardawa
Zeugen Ignatz Dziadek Organist zu ?
und Alex Namyslo ___?____zu Schwes-
terwitz.
TRANSLATION
Twardawa 20 (1796)
Were here by me, G.D. , joined in marriage the honorable bachelor Caspair, legitimate son of Blasius Filipczyk, a farmer in Twardawa, with the honorable Carolina, née Lamatsch, left- behind widow of the deceased Michael Kwossek, schoolteacher in Twardawa. Witnesses: Ignatz Dziadek, organist in ?
Krzek, and Alex Namyslo, ? in Schwesterwitz.
NOTES
G.D. The local priest, George Damick
ehel.=ehelich legitimate
Bride was 20, so born about 1776
Groom 23 , so born about 1773
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2026 6:04 am
Post subject: Re: Wonderful German Script!
| Louie wrote: | I know, too much info.
Need help in at least 4 ? marks.
Have this so far to give you an idea of where I am going.
Evidently, this forum does not like Sutterlin script
TEXT
1796 Der 20th Septembr
Sind allhier von mir G.D. copulirt getraut (und ?
der ehrbare Junggesell Caspair ehel. Sohn des.
Blasius Filipczyk der bauer zu Twardawa mit
der ehrbaren Carolina geb. Lamatsch hinter-
lassenen Wittwe nach dem Verstorbenen
Michael Kwossek Schullehrer in Twardawa
Zeugen Ignatz Dziadek Organist zu ?
und Alex Namyslo ___?____zu Schwes-
terwitz.
TRANSLATION
Twardawa 20 (1796)
Were here by me, G.D. , joined in marriage the honorable bachelor Caspair, legitimate son of Blasius Filipczyk, a farmer in Twardawa, with the honorable Carolina, née Lamatsch, left- behind widow of the deceased Michael Kwossek, schoolteacher in Twardawa. Witnesses: Ignatz Dziadek, organist in ?
Krzek, and Alex Namyslo, ? in Schwesterwitz.
NOTES
G.D. The local priest, George Damick
ehel.=ehelich legitimate
Bride was 20, so born about 1776
Groom 23 , so born about 1773 |
Hi Louie,
Always so nice to see you on the forum! I cannot help with everything you are asking about, but I can assist with two place names. For Ignatz Dziadek, the organist, his place name begins at the end of one line of text and continues at the beginning of the next line of text: Waltzen which today is Walce.
For Michael Kwossek, you have him as being a school teacher in Twardawa but I believe he is from nearby Trawniki instead.
Best regards,
Sophia
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2026 5:25 am
Post subject: Re: Wonderful German Script!
| Louie wrote: | I know, too much info.
Need help in at least 4 ? marks.
Have this so far to give you an idea of where I am going.
Evidently, this forum does not like Sutterlin script
TEXT
1796 Der 20th Septembr
Sind allhier von mir G.D. copulirt getraut (und ?
der ehrbare Junggesell Caspair ehel. Sohn des.
Blasius Filipczyk der bauer zu Twardawa mit
der ehrbaren Carolina geb. Lamatsch hinter-
lassenen Wittwe nach dem Verstorbenen
Michael Kwossek Schullehrer in Twardawa
Zeugen Ignatz Dziadek Organist zu ?
und Alex Namyslo ___?____zu Schwes-
terwitz.
TRANSLATION
Twardawa 20 (1796)
Were here by me, G.D. , joined in marriage the honorable bachelor Caspair, legitimate son of Blasius Filipczyk, a farmer in Twardawa, with the honorable Carolina, née Lamatsch, left- behind widow of the deceased Michael Kwossek, schoolteacher in Twardawa. Witnesses: Ignatz Dziadek, organist in ?
Krzek, and Alex Namyslo, ? in Schwesterwitz.
NOTES
G.D. The local priest, George Damick
ehel.=ehelich legitimate
Bride was 20, so born about 1776
Groom 23 , so born about 1773 |
Hello Louie,
In addition to Sophia’s geographical remarks some minor points from me:
The last two words in the first line of your transcription you read as „copulirt getraut (und ?“. I would assume it just means „ehelich getraut“. It sounds a bit like “doppelt gemoppelt” or redundant, but can be found often in marriage records.
The given name of the groom’s father looks like “Blasius” which is a quite common name, instead the priest wrote Blasias.
Regarding the occupation of the groom’s father and of the witness I am unsure. We are in Silesia and they often differentiated there between “Bauer”, “Gärtner” and “Häusler” (farmer, gardener and cottager). What is written in front of the occupation and looks like “Fr” might be an acronym for “Frei” or free and not bondsmen. Hence the groom’s father might have been a Fr[ei] Bauer and the witness a Fr[ei]gärtner. As I said, I’m unsure. For more clarity it might help to have a look at other entries from this church book.
Best regards,
Michael
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2026 10:17 pm
Post subject: German
Need help with at least 4 ?
Q1 The word before Hedwig
Q2 and Q3 Hausler?
Q4 The word after Jurek, Hausler? Why is not the feminine for used i.e. Hauslerin?
Thanks much,
louie
TRANSLITERATION
1796
Dambrowka
den 8ten dito Februr
Dambrowka den 8ten dito
Ist ein Knäbl. von dem Häußl. Martin Welna eh. ?. Hed-
wig geborne Wochnikin gebohren, und von dem H. Pfarrer C Krause
Namens Wallentin getauft worden, wobey als Pathen gewesen
Caspar Dambowy ?. Thomas Cichon ?. Susanna Jurkin ?.
TRANSLATION
1796
Dambrowka
the 8th ditto February
A boy was born to the cottager Martin Welna and his lawful wife ? Hed-
wig, née Wochnikin, and was baptized by the Rev. Pastor C(arol). Krause
given the name Wallentin, the godparents were
Caspar Dambowy, cottager, Thomas Cichon, cottager, and (Godmother) Susanna Jurek. female cottager,
.
NOTES
Dito – ditto “Same as above” i.e. February
8 Feb is the date of baptism not necessarily the date of birth.
Häußler" (cottagers), indicates they owned a small house and perhaps a very small plot of land, but likely had to work for larger farmers or estates to make a living.
Eh= ehelich, which means legitimate
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2026 5:26 am
Post subject: Re: German
| Louie wrote: | Need help with at least 4 ?
Q1 The word before Hedwig
Q2 and Q3 Hausler?
Q4 The word after Jurek, Hausler? Why is not the feminine for used i.e. Hauslerin?
Thanks much,
louie
TRANSLITERATION
1796
Dambrowka
den 8ten dito Februr
Dambrowka den 8ten dito
Ist ein Knäbl. von dem Häußl. Martin Welna eh. ?. Hed-
wig geborne Wochnikin gebohren, und von dem H. Pfarrer C Krause
Namens Wallentin getauft worden, wobey als Pathen gewesen
Caspar Dambowy ?. Thomas Cichon ?. Susanna Jurkin ?.
TRANSLATION
1796
Dambrowka
the 8th ditto February
A boy was born to the cottager Martin Welna and his lawful wife ? Hed-
wig, née Wochnikin, and was baptized by the Rev. Pastor C(arol). Krause
given the name Wallentin, the godparents were
Caspar Dambowy, cottager, Thomas Cichon, cottager, and (Godmother) Susanna Jurek. female cottager,
.
NOTES
Dito – ditto “Same as above” i.e. February
8 Feb is the date of baptism not necessarily the date of birth.
Häußler" (cottagers), indicates they owned a small house and perhaps a very small plot of land, but likely had to work for larger farmers or estates to make a living.
Eh= ehelich, which means legitimate |
Hi Louie,
The author of this snippet uses the genitive case, often acronyms and the ÿ in combination with an ‘e’. Applied to your text, the first line reads: “Ist ein Knäbl[ein] von des Häuslers Martin Welna ehe Weÿbe [Eheweib] …”. The sponsors were Häusl[er] or a Häusl[erin]. Using the shortened words you will not recognize the male or female ending but get this information from the given names of the sponsors, respectively.
Regards,
Michael
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2026 2:34 pm
Post subject: Greman Translation HELP
Need help with (at least) some names at the end of the document
1812
Dam:Hammer
The 11: July.
Cop: d. den Müllergesellen Joseph Zo=
wada Sohn des verstorbenen Gärtner Chris=
tian Zawada aus Alt-Rosenberg mit der
Müllern Maria hinterbliebene Wittwe
des Müller Joseph Hontscha zu Dam=
ratschhammer. Z: Anton ? und ? ?.
1812
Dam: Hammer
the 11th: July.
Married on : The journeyman miller journeyman Joseph Za-
wada, son of the deceased gardener Chris-
tian Zawada from Alt-Rosenberg, with the
female miller Maria, surviving widow
of the miller Joseph Hontscha of Dam
ratchhammer. Witneses : Anton ? and ? Kuczik?.
NOTES
Dam:Hammer = Damratsch Hammer
cop. d. or corp. d. stands for copuliert den, which translates to "married on"
zeugan - Wittneses
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2026 6:37 am
Post subject: Re: Greman Translation HELP
| Louie wrote: | Need help with (at least) some names at the end of the document
1812
Dam:Hammer
The 11: July.
Cop: d. den Müllergesellen Joseph Zo=
wada Sohn des verstorbenen Gärtner Chris=
tian Zawada aus Alt-Rosenberg mit der
Müllern Maria hinterbliebene Wittwe
des Müller Joseph Hontscha zu Dam=
ratschhammer. Z: Anton ? und ? ?.
1812
Dam: Hammer
the 11th: July.
Married on : The journeyman miller journeyman Joseph Za-
wada, son of the deceased gardener Chris-
tian Zawada from Alt-Rosenberg, with the
female miller Maria, surviving widow
of the miller Joseph Hontscha of Dam
ratchhammer. Witneses : Anton ? and ? Kuczik?.
NOTES
Dam:Hammer = Damratsch Hammer
cop. d. or corp. d. stands for copuliert den, which translates to "married on"
zeugan - Wittneses |
As we have but few material to compare the writing, I can offer just some speculations:
Anton Frohe and xxgenisa Kusch.
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Posted: Yesterday at 10:04 am
Post subject: Help with German abbreviations
I may have asked this before but I don't know how to look at all my posts.
Last Column, second line. I have no idea! Is the second abbreviation the letter, "C"?
Thank you,
louie
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Posted: 13 hours ago at 5:40 am
Post subject: Re: Help with German abbreviations
| Louie wrote: | I may have asked this before but I don't know how to look at all my posts.
Last Column, second line. I have no idea! Is the second abbreviation the letter, "C"?
Thank you,
louie |
Louie,
Sometimes it might help to understand what is written in a record if you do not just look at a snippet of a page but have a look at a bigger picture like the whole page, including the column headings. Otherwise you have to speculate, what I am doing here.
Your snippet is obviously from a marriage record. In the third column the spouses are mentioned. The fourth column might provide the name of the priest who performed the marriage – like all the others mentioned on this page, hence you see only an acronym for ‘the same’ or ‘see above’ and will find the name earlier on this or even on a previous page. So the fourth column might provide the names of the witnesses. There are four lines: obviously the name and the status of the first witness in the first line and a place of residence in the third and fourth line. The most important word in understanding the second line is the first word in the third line: ‘beide’ or the two of them. Hence the second line seems to provide the name of another witness. His given name is abbreviated to ‘Albr.’ which might stand for ‘Albrecht’. Instead of his family name we find the acronym we already saw in the third column: ‘see above’, hence his family name might be ‘Deia’. Finally the last acronym might mean ‘see above’, too. Hence Joseph and Albrecht Deia had the same status.
Michael
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Posted: 8 hours ago at 10:30 am
Post subject: Re: Help with German abbreviations
| Louie wrote: | I may have asked this before but I don't know how to look at all my posts.
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Hi Louie,
I can help you to see all of your previous posts on the forum. I am attaching two screenshots for you with green arrows to show you where the important things are. The first one shows you which "search" box to use. The second one shows you where to enter your name on the search page. Also on that search page, where it says "display results as" make sure you change it from its default setting of "topics" and ask instead for "replies."
Once you do this, you will see a listing of every post you have made.
Best regards,
Sophia
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