Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:45 am
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Hi, ciaara !.
Józef Olejarz, b. ca. 1890 married with Maria nee Szkola (*1893, +1961)
son:
Michal Olejarz (*1928, +2000) married with Maria nee Gruszczak, b. 1929
son:
Ludwik Olejarz, b. 1957, married with Krystyna Czepiel, b. 1957
children:
Magdalena b. 1977, and Marcin b. 1986
Andrew
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:58 am
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Hi ciaara.
I send to You dear my datas from Olejarz clan's tree of Casimir Olejarz (*1798, +1848) from Pruchnik village near Jaroslaw, near Rzeszow, great-great-grand father of Józef Olejarz from my early post to You.
Andrew
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:47 pm
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Thanks for the link, I had already searched it and only thing that came close for me was an Anton Czepiel born in Austria, residing in Melville, SK at March 31, 1924
No such luck for his wife Stella/Stanislawa etc.
Apparently I can order a record for only $5, but I must confirm the person deceased for at least 20 years... how do I do that when I can't even confirm if is the correct person??
I have had to take a break due to life (always gets in the way of my fun!) but plan to be back to the "grind" next week and will review everything posted and see what else I can "dig" up
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Cheri Vanden BergPO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:42 pm
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I would send for Anton Czepiel's naturalization papers if I were you. I don't know what you have to show to prove your Anthony has been dead for 20 years, but I would get it, and prove it. You're going to have to see the papers before you can determine if it's your Anthony, but it's definitely worth it. I don't know what information Canadian Naturalization papers contain during this time period, but it should have his wife's name. In the U.S. I have read that the Naturalizations could possibly have where the wife was from as well. My luck it would have said POLAND and no village name, but you can't know unless you try. It could also have her maiden name, and maybe that would have a different spelling than what you have. In the U.S. during this time period, a wife would become a citizen when her husband did. If it was the same in Canada, then Stanislawa/Stella wouldn't have had to apply for citizenship. Oh, and perhaps you know that there was no Poland in 1914, so one partition of what had been Poland would have been in Austria, and since the manifest said they were from Galicia, that would fit.
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PolishLibrarianPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:07 pm
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Hi ciaara~ I just took a look at the manifest. As Cheri says they are from Galicia and they are roman catholic. Antoni and Stanislawa appear to be traveling with the 4 people below them, as all were going to Yorkton SK (about 41 km NNE of Melville). I would guess they sailed into Canada and then had rail tickets to take them to Yorkton. The family below appears to be Walenty Ciesla 46, wife Lucya 27 and children Katarzyna 6 and infant boy (can't guess the name).
Seems likely the Anton naturalization record would be your Anton - 1924 is 88 years ago. He would have been an adult when he was naturalized so he would be at a minimum 106 if he were alive now. I think if you point that out in your request and you send the $5 they will fill your request.
Lastly - have you seen this family tree posting on RootsWeb regarding Anthony Henry Czepiel and his wife Stella Marie Salsmay (last update Mar. 15, 2012 00:35:10 UTC - about 2.5 hours ago). http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=armstrongone&id=I21054 (copy & paste this address into your browser, the page should come up). There is a list of their 14 children and death date for Anthony of July 12, 1941. There's a publication source for this info. as well a contact email address for the person who posted the info. and presumably updated it today. In the letter above if you provide the birth year of 1888 for Anthony (he would be 124 this year) that alone should be enough for them to determine is it's the right Anthony and that he would be dead.
Good luck!
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:22 pm
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ok, after what seemed like an eternity, I have sitting in front of me... my g-g-grandfathers NATURALIZATION PAPERS! Please bear with me as I try to decipher the poor copy and make out the letters to see where he came from (and it also gave Stella's birthplace!) I will do what I can do pinpoint on map general location and then be back to see if related to any of you 
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:59 am
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| PolishLibrarian wrote: |
Lastly - have you seen this family tree posting on RootsWeb regarding Anthony Henry Czepiel and his wife Stella Marie Salsmay (last update Mar. 15, 2012 00:35:10 UTC - about 2.5 hours ago). http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=armstrongone&id=I21054 (copy & paste this address into your browser, the page should come up). There is a list of their 14 children and death date for Anthony of July 12, 1941. There's a publication source for this info. as well a contact email address for the person who posted the info. and presumably updated it today. In the letter above if you provide the birth year of 1888 for Anthony (he would be 124 this year) that alone should be enough for them to determine is it's the right Anthony and that he would be dead.
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First off, my apologies for not responding to this post... yes of course I had previosuly found that link and contacted the owner who it turns out, his aunt (I think) is married to my great-grandfather's brother
I gave the creator all the info regarding "my line" and I see that he has it updated to even include ME! So I did my part to keep the line going
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:49 am
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Hi Ciaara,
Bonnie Czepiel here. Have you gotten anywhere? Can you also tell me of the other Czepiel who hit a wall? Would love to help if I can.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:22 am
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as per the naturalization papers, he states he is from Lopuszka Wielka, Pzreworsk, which I was excited to find still on the map lol
So I have been able to get as far as Lopuszka Wielka, gmina Kanczuga, powiat Przeworsk, woj. Podkarpackie, Poland for the "location"
His wife was from Rzeplin, Jaroslaw (some of her children had told me it was rumoured she was born in Ireland)
Which I have been able to pinpoint as they were less than 10km away from eachother. At this time I haven't had much luck going back into the villages for info, but I am still on the hunt
I have been in contact with the other (Chris2464) from the other thread originating from the same village... unfortunately we're both at a stand still but I would think she'd have better luck with info as her family left Poland much later than mine
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magdalenanegron
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:14 am
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4. You stated that Stanislawa's maiden name might have been Salsmay and her father may have been a sea captain. Perhaps Stanislawa was from a seaside village in north Poland....?
"Salsmay" sounds very Anglo-Saxon and nothing like a name of a Polish origin. "Sals" is a Polish surname and means - in a few words - "hot fish sauce" (from salsa). Perhaps the ancestors with that name were cooks? "May" exists in Polish in the form "Maj" and means May - the name of the month. But it would make no sense in connection with "Sals", fish sauce. What makes more sense is "Maz" - which means "to spread" - to spread hot sauce on the fish. "Salsmaz"... does not sound right, kinda weird to be honest, but of course it is possible that it is a real name. Salsman... sounds very germanic or hebrew.
I looked up a list of Polish names - "Salzmann" is the closest I could find to "Salsmay". On a side note, I have noticed that the letters entered in records are often different letters than we think they are. An "e" can be "i" or "c". "Y" could be "n" or "z", and so on.
Well, hope this helps!
Magdalena.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:02 pm
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| magdalenanegron wrote: | 4. You stated that Stanislawa's maiden name might have been Salsmay and her father may have been a sea captain. Perhaps Stanislawa was from a seaside village in north Poland....?
"Salsmay" sounds very Anglo-Saxon and nothing like a name of a Polish origin. "Sals" is a Polish surname and means - in a few words - "hot fish sauce" (from salsa). Perhaps the ancestors with that name were cooks? "May" exists in Polish in the form "Maj" and means May - the name of the month. But it would make no sense in connection with "Sals", fish sauce. What makes more sense is "Maz" - which means "to spread" - to spread hot sauce on the fish. "Salsmaz"... does not sound right, kinda weird to be honest, but of course it is possible that it is a real name. Salsman... sounds very germanic or hebrew.
I looked up a list of Polish names - "Salzmann" is the closest I could find to "Salsmay". On a side note, I have noticed that the letters entered in records are often different letters than we think they are. An "e" can be "i" or "c". "Y" could be "n" or "z", and so on.
Well, hope this helps!
Magdalena. |
Thanks for that reference... I too was struggling with the name so asked each of her children what they knew (amazing that I would always get a different variation) and of the ones I have spoken with, I now leaning towards "Salamaj" which I did find reference to as being a Polish name (again, doesn't match with the rumour of her being Irish, but then as per Naturalization record, she was from Poland) so many inconsistencies & rumours
One of the children provided me with copies of her baptismal from the church, all 3 had a different surname of the mother, Sullivan, Salamay, Salamaj. It was from another that I originally got the Salsmay from (which I now believe to be inaccurate)
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:36 pm
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My grandmother, Anne Mildred, was daughter of Anthony and Stella. I have just started my research and would love to gather as much information as I can if anyone is willing to help. Thanks You
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SlavPolishOrigins Team
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:32 am
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Ciaara,
| Quote: | Thanks for that reference... I too was struggling with the name so asked each of her children what they knew (amazing that I would always get a different variation) and of the ones I have spoken with, I now leaning towards "Salamaj" which I did find reference to as being a Polish name (again, doesn't match with the rumour of her being Irish, but then as per Naturalization record, she was from Poland) so many inconsistencies & rumours
One of the children provided me with copies of her baptismal from the church, all 3 had a different surname of the mother, Sullivan, Salamay, Salamaj. It was from another that I originally got the Salsmay from (which I now believe to be inaccurate) |
I wonder how your ancestral detective work is going. 
Just wanted to confirm that it is very likely that Salsmay is a misspelling of Salamaj or rather Sałamaj (the l crossed with a slash) - pronounced http://www.ivona.com/pl/?tk=T52AM6ks1M
Here is a link to the map showing the distribution of the name Sałamaj in Poland today:
http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/sa%25C5%2582amaj.html
The present-day distribution of a surname may have little relevance to the locations of your ancestors, but in some case family names "persist" in specific areas for quite a long time.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:15 am
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oh Marianne, I would LOVE to connect with you as at this time I don't have much for your grandmother's line.
A quick update for those interested... I went "home" to Saskatchewan to further my research and meet with many relatives that I had tracked down since I started digging around (as I've been working on my entire family tree, I had quite a few graveyards/landmarks/elders to see/meet. In Melville, I was invited to stay and meet with sibling of my great grandmother and was taken around their "stomping grounds" of the time as my Ukrainian side came in 1902 & 1903. I cannot put into words the emotions that overcame me. Just so happened that these relatives knew of my my great grandfather's brother and wife, who just so happened to live around the corner so of course I contacted them to invite myself over (I had previously touched base with them and they knew I was making a trip back to the area) They were ready for me, having collected old photos. even those that my grandmother had sent them of herself growing up as she had her own family (she passed in 2006) They gave to me all photos of my great-grandfather, including one of him as just a child & war pictures that he sent back to his family (I cannot get over how much his son is the spitting image!) I learned a little bit more about how my great-grandparents came together... and of course have some more unanswered questions. I provided them copies of my research, including Antoni's Naturalization papers. I went to pay my respects to Antoni & Stella's graves (hers with a different name, but beside Antoni even though she married after his death)
I'm sad to say that since my return to the real world, I haven't continued my research too much as I needed time to take in all I learned and experienced. And with 2 kids at home, school starting, I've become easily sidetracked... but am keeping in touch with my "new" FAMILY!
Slav: I am certain Stella's last name is either Salamaj or Sałamaj, but continued to hit walls in digging around for her so decided to focus on his surname in hopes of eventually stumbling across her family.
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