Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:24 pm
Post subject: Help locating a town in Poland (or maybe Russia)
Hi folks. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide us.
My grandfather came to the U.S. in the early 1900's. He spoke Polish and said he was from Poland. But when we dug up his immigration paperwork, we found he listed his birthplace as being in Russia. The city he listed is not written very clearly on his immigration papers. It starts with the letters "Piskor..." but after that the spelling is not clear (see attached photo).
Our family is very interested in finding out where his birthplace really was. If you have any clue what city or area this may be, please let me know.
Thanks, folks, for you help!
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:01 am
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On his immigration papers, it was "Jozef Tomas Smogorzewski".
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:33 am
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WalterTevis wrote: | On his immigration papers, it was "Jozef Tomas Smogorzewski". |
village Piskornica belonged to Skaryszew romancatholic parish in Poland but i cant find Smogorzewski baptism record in 1891 files.
Maybe the village name was Piskornia: there were few Piskonia villages. One belonged to Pokrzywnica romancatholic parih: i did not find 1891 baptism record for Smogorzewski but i see that this surname appeared in this parish.
there is also village Piskornia in Żytniów parish.
Do You know You grandfather's parents names?
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:31 pm
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Hello Marcel,
I don't know if you checked other years for that parish, but many times I have found people sometimes did not know their birthday. They could have been off a few years. Sometimes the parents did not baptize them right away. I know one of my cousin's had a wife, and I found hers recorded fives years later. I wondered why and learned there was a war happening when she was born.
I found a couple more place possibilities for you. Check this page http://dir.icm.edu.pl/pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_VIII/229. There are three parishes named for four villages with the same name on as part of its name.
I haven't checked this site. You may something there: http://www.geneteka.genealodzy.pl/?lang=eng.
Hope this helps you.
Tina Ellis
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:39 pm
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marcelproust wrote: | WalterTevis wrote: | On his immigration papers, it was "Jozef Tomas Smogorzewski". |
village Piskornica belonged to Skaryszew romancatholic parish in Poland but i cant find Smogorzewski baptism record in 1891 files.
Maybe the village name was Piskornia: there were few Piskonia villages. One belonged to Pokrzywnica romancatholic parih: i did not find 1891 baptism record for Smogorzewski but i see that this surname appeared in this parish.
there is also village Piskornia in Żytniów parish.
Do You know You grandfather's parents names? |
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:40 pm
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Attached is 1889 birth record for Jozef Smogorszewski. It is act #69 on the page. Post it in the Russian translation forum for translation.
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mcdonald0517 wrote: | Attached is 1889 birth record for Jozef Smogorszewski. It is act #69 on the page. Post it in the Russian translation forum for translation. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:15 am
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Thank you sooooo much, Cynthia! This information is absolutely incredible! My family sends its most sincere thanks as well!!
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:08 pm
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Hello Walter,
You are very welcome. I am happy that I could help.
Not only do you have information on your grandfather Jozef Tomasz, you also have the next generation of your great grandparents: Jan Smogorszewski and Waleria Przybysz. You also have the generation of your 2nd great grandparents: Tomasz Smogorszewski and Jadwiga Pielach.
Although your great grandparents (Jan and Waleria) came to the USA in 1902 with their entire family, Jan's siblings may have remained in Poland - in which case, you may be able to locate living relatives in Poland. When looking at the Geneteka database, I found 3 siblings of Jan with records in the village of Pokrzywnica - Stanislaw, Marianna, and Jozef. If you post these for translation in the Russian Records forum, you will get more information about their ages, dates of birth, and village of birth (which may not have been Pokrzywnica):
Stanislaw Smogorszewski married Jozefa Bartcak (nee Kosek; she was a widow) in 1907. It is act #6 on the page:
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0078d&sy=1907&kt=2&plik=06-07.jpg#zoom=1&x=880&y=945
Marianna Czarnecka (nee Smogorszewski; she was a widow at the time) married Józef Gołąb in 1905. It is act # 1 on the page.
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0078d&sy=1905&kt=2&plik=01-02.jpg#zoom=1&x=0&y=0
Jozef Smogorszewski died in 1906. It is act # 27 on the page.
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0078d&sy=1906&kt=3&plik=27-30.jpg#zoom=1&x=1115&y=708
Wishing you an exciting adventure as you continue your search for your Polish connections. Maybe you will even hire Polish Origins to visit your ancestral home and possibly locate and meet your Polish relatives! We did that last year and had an incredible experience.
All the best,
Cynthia
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