Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:36 pm
Post subject: Pruchouva ,Germany??????
I can't find the town of origin for my gr-grandfather,but I found a ships log of a friend that put his name and city in the US as a contact I guess. That man was from Pruchouva,Germany. I'm hoping my gr-grandfather is from the same town, problem is I can't find that town. I think it probably is in German Poland. Can any one help? Thanks mary
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:31 pm
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Maybe Pruchnowo?
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:59 pm
Post subject: Pruchany, Germany????
I found the listing which I hope someone can translate,I think the town is Pruchany? This is the friend of my Gr-grandfather that I hope will lead me to the town my gr-grandfather came from. Thank you ,Mary
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Pruchany, Germany????
| rinny11 wrote: | | I found the listing which I hope someone can translate,I think the town is Pruchany? This is the friend of my Gr-grandfather that I hope will lead me to the town my gr-grandfather came from. Thank you ,Mary |
Mary,
the images are really hard to read. I would suggest you:
- let us the name and surname of your gr-grandfather
- the name and surname of his friend (looks like Gramada)
- scan the whole page of the manifest so that one can compare several letters and try to identify that village name.
Gilberto
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:14 pm
Post subject: Pruchuova
Gilberto,Thank you for responding, My gr-grandfathers name is Jan Perz,his friend is Martin gozdziewski. I rescanned as you asked, I can't seem to get the 2nd. page to scan so i'm sending what i have. I hope this helps. this might be my last hope in finding a town of origins as all other documents say Poland ,German Poland or Prussia. Thank you again,Mary I tried adding the extention but recieved the message that it wasn"t allowed.I found the ship on ancestry.com under Baltimore,passenger list 1820 to 1948 ,ship Neckar. Name Martin Gozdziewski,line 22 Pages 74 and 75
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Pruchuova
| rinny11 wrote: | | Gilberto,Thank you for responding, My gr-grandfathers name is Jan Perz,his friend is Martin gozdziewski. I rescanned as you asked, I can't seem to get the 2nd. page to scan so i'm sending what i have. I hope this helps. this might be my last hope in finding a town of origins as all other documents say Poland ,German Poland or Prussia. Thank you again,Mary I tried adding the extention but recieved the message that it wasn"t allowed.I found the ship on ancestry.com under Baltimore,passenger list 1820 to 1948 ,ship Neckar. Name Martin Gozdziewski,line 22 Pages 74 and 75 |
Mary,
Do you know the arrival dates (full) for Martin and Jan?
Did Jan have any siblings?
Do you know his date of birth? The name of his parents?
And what about Martin? If you have an Ancestry subscription, look for other Gozdziewski/a. Maybe more relatives came from the same place.
Gilberto
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PolishLibrarianPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:32 pm
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Mary~ I looked at the passenger record and it appears to me that Jan Perz is Martin's uncle. Also his village looks like Pruchnova to me and definitely Germany.
How about Pruchnowo a village about 25 mi. NE of Poznan and 5 mi. NW of Gniezno. Pruchnowo, Radziejów County, Kuyavian-Pomeranian Voivodeship, Poland. Poznan became part of the German parition in 1871 and prior to that it was in Prussia so that fits.
The 1905 Wis. State Census has Jan and his family (wife & 9 children) living in Angelica Wis (just as lisetd on the Martin's passenger list). Apparently the 2 oldest children (ages 17 & 15) were born in Penn., the rest in Wis. The 1910 census says that Jan immigrated in 1885, is naturalized and it appears they married in 1886 (married 24 years). Couldn't find them in the 1900 census. All info. needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but it gives you some leads to use to search for further info. Is this all info you had already discovered?
If Pruchnowo is the correct village, then there has been quite a bit posted here about the Poznan databases. It's not the region I am interested in so I haven't paid close attention. Hope this helps. Good luck.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:27 am
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| PolishLibrarian wrote: | Mary~ I looked at the passenger record and it appears to me that Jan Perz is Martin's uncle. Also his village looks like Pruchnova to me and definitely Germany.
How about Pruchnowo a village about 25 mi. NE of Poznan and 5 mi. NW of Gniezno. Pruchnowo, Radziejów County, Kuyavian-Pomeranian Voivodeship, Poland.
If Pruchnowo is the correct village, then there has been quite a bit posted here about the Poznan databases. |
Mary and Polish Librarian,
If Jan is Martin's uncle, then I think the place is Pruchnowo, indeed. A minor correction, however: that Pruchnowo in Radziejów county is not the same 5 miles NW of Gniezno. This one is in gniezniesnki county, wielkopolskie province, and the RC parish is in Dębnica. And in Debnica there are marriage records for the Perz and Gozdziewski families as well. Even better: there is a marriage between these families. From Poznan marriages project:
nr. 2 1881
Thomas Perz (22)
Josepha Olejniczak (19)
nr. 12 1892
Laurentius Perz (27)
Josepha Świderska (21)
nr 14 1885
Laurentius Goździewski (23)
Petronella Perz (23)
Gilberto
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:36 pm
Post subject: Jan Perz
My God I think we did it, the only question I have is Jan Perz was Catholic and I think I saw that Martin is Jewish on the ships log, is this possible? Maybe the Gozdziewski were Jewish and married into a Catholic family or could Jan have been Jewish and changed faith here? I have Jans marriage lic. both Catholic and civil and it doesn't show he converted. Thank you all so much for your help, this means so much to me to finally find my Polish roots, some day I"ll be there to hopefuuly connect with family. Warmest Regards,Mary
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:49 pm
Post subject: Re: Jan Perz
| rinny11 wrote: | | My God I think we did it, the only question I have is Jan Perz was Catholic and I think I saw that Martin is Jewish on the ships log, is this possible? Maybe the Gozdziewski were Jewish and married into a Catholic family or could Jan have been Jewish and changed faith here? I have Jans marriage lic. both Catholic and civil and it doesn't show he converted. Thank you all so much for your help, this means so much to me to finally find my Polish roots, some day I"ll be there to hopefuuly connect with family. Warmest Regards,Mary |
Maybe you want to check these LDS films and other sources for Debnica.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:29 pm
Post subject: Jan perz
Gilberto, I went to the Poznan proj. and got those film #s. We are going to Salt Lake City next yr., but I"m going to rent film asap. Thank you, thank you , I appreciate all your knowledge and help. Mary
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PolishLibrarianPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:33 pm
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Thanks Gilberto for clarifying the Pruchnowo location – I just used Google Maps and assumed it was correct.
If Martin was 23 when he arrived in Baltimore in 1913 then he was born in 1889 or 1890. He was single. It appears to me that the passenger list says he left his father in Pruchnowo and it looks like the name is listed as Gozdziewski a, so maybe his first name begins with A. Jan Perz, according to Census records seems to have been born around 1858. With the marriage Gilberto found Petronella Perz would have been born around 1862 so she could have been Jan’s sister. Petronella was married in 1885 and Martin was born about 1889 or 1890 so he could be her son.
I have never seen anything on immigrant passenger lists that indicated anyone’s religion so am not sure why you think Martin was Jewish. He shows up in the 1930 Census living in Detroit with his wife Stella and their 8 children. Looks like they were married around 1914. Might want to see if you can find Detroit Polish community marriage records to see if Martin married there & the record lists his parent’s names. Hmmm…On FamilySearch their marriage shows up with them living in Hamtramck Mich. & married on Nov. 14, 1917. He is 29 and his father’s name was Adam – it does say he was born in Russia (which doesn’t agree with the immigration piece, but A. for father’s first name fits). Stella Hundas Garbowski is 35, her mother was Rosie, she was born in Mich. and she had been married once before. So maybe this isn’t the right Martin. I think the 1930 Census said he immigrated in 1913 and that he was from Poland. Too bad I couldn’t find them in the 1920 Census, but my Internet connection and Ancestry were intolerably slow tonight.
Again, good luck with the microfilm. Hope we've put you on the right track. PL
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:36 pm
Post subject: Pruchnowo,Jan Perz
PL, Thank you for all the info,I could have sworn I saw Jewish on the passenger list but I could be mistake,also I saw something where Martin might have been in Philly for a short time and also that Stella might have been from there. I"m going to check back in all my records to see if I can find what I saw. It's so exciting to finally have a trail to follow and I owe that to the help of the LP and Gilberto, I can't thank you both enough. Mary
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