Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:57 pm
Post subject: Paternal DNA
Hi,
Finally! I have a male relative ~ there are few! ~ who submitted to a paternal DNA test for genealogical purposes. We received the results this past weekend.
By way of history, which some of you may be familiar with as I've posted my story before, my maternal grandmother was born in Luslawice, Poland (just outside of Krakow.) My grandmother's father was also born in Luslawice, the illegitimate son of a woman called Anna Osiecka. The story passed down through the family is that Anna worked at a manor house as a servant. I later learned that there was property in Luslawice owned by Count Lanckoronski, and that many of the citizens from Luslawice were employed by the Count.
In any event, Anna became pregnant and had an illegitimate son ~ my great-grandfather Konstanty Osiecki ~ in 1869. Shortly after his birth she married a gentleman named Ignacz Zagora. Anna died when my great-grandfather was in his teens. Konstanty kept the surname "Osiecki", his mother's maiden name.
For decades we did not and still do not know the identity of my great-grandfather's father. We are now at the point where we have DNA from the male line that can be traced back to my great-grandfather, and obviously his father. The paternal DNA test states "46 markers" and the paternal halogroup is R1b. There's more information, most of which I don't understand.
I don't know if anyone can shed some light on this newly acquired information. If there's someone who understands how DNA and genealogy works and would like to help me in some way ~ even if it's just a bit of information ~ I would be very appreciative.
Thanks, as always, for your help.
Lisa 
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DaveP
Joined: 11 Apr 2011
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:12 pm
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Hi Lisa,
It looks like you tested with Ancestry, based on the number of markers. They'll automatically try and match you with other individuals they have on record. Their database, however, isn't the most comprehensive available. The best company out there right now for genealogical DNA testing is probably Family Tree DNA, but since you've aleady tested, you'll most likely not want to spend yet more money and time. What I'd suggest is to manually transfer your results to ySearch (www.ysearch.org). That will give you the ability to look for matches against many more test records than are stored at Ancestry.
The R1b results really don't tell you anything, other than at a very superficial level. It just places the tested individual in the most common broad family line of most males of European origin. Yes, there's a common ancestor with other R1b's, but it's many thousands of years back in time. Ancestry can't define your haplogroup with any more detail, as they don't offer the kind of DNA testing (SNP) needed. In my case, for example, Ancestry listed me also as R1b. Much more detailed (and pricey) testing at FTDNA determined my haplogroup to be R1b1A2a1a1a4a1. 
I'm fairly new to this too, but I can try and point you to a number of on-line sources for more information. Do you have specific questions you're most interested in answering?
Dave P
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:48 pm
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for your response.
Would the website ysearch give me any further information regarding my great-grandfather and genealogy? Is there a fee involved? How in the world can I possibly find a match ~ even a distant one?
It's a very frustrating ~ yet at times rewarding ~ process!
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Lisa
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DaveP
Joined: 11 Apr 2011
Replies: 15
Location: Sacramento, CABack to top |
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:04 pm
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Well, this is where things get a bit tricky. Your situation is especially complicated because you don't know what surname to specifically look for within your matches. What you'll be hoping to find is exact matches, value for value, against as many individual marker values as possible. Ideally, you'd be lucky enough to match someone on all 46 markers. Your test haplogroup is the very common R1b, so you're going to get a ton of exact matches at the 12 marker level most likely. (I have well over 1,300 12 marker exact matches on FTDNA - none of whom share my surname; I have zero exact matches farther out). These 12 marker matches will be no use to you at all. Do you have any exact matches listed on ancestry for anyone who's also tested their full 46 markers? If not, is there any test result that shows a 46 marker match at genetic distance 1 or 2?
ySearch is free. It was set up to permit people who have tested different companies to upload and then match data. There's a bit of a trick you'll need to watch out for though. Not all companies test the exact same STR markers, and even when they do, they sometimes record the results differently. There are help guides available on-line that will guide you in knowing which of your ancestry marker values need to be 'translated' to match properly in the ySearch database. I'm at work now, so don't have easy access to all my stored info at home. I'll post some links to the info later.
Dave
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:10 pm
Post subject: Still Searching for Great-Great-Grandfather's Identity
Hi,
I am still searching for the identity of my great-great grandfather. His son, my great grandfather, was born out of wedlock and was never acknowledged by his biological father. I have YDNA results. His whole life my great-grandfather used his mother's maiden name, which complicates things because I cannot join DNA family groups. My great-grandfather was born in Luslawice, Galicia, Poland in 1870. His mother was from the same town. Any suggestions that might help me make progress would really be appreciated.
Lisa
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MDuplagaPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:43 am
Post subject: Still searching for GGGrandfather's identity
Lisa,
This may be a long shot-but have you tried researching the family tree of Count Lanckoronski, online?? (I am aware that the Count himself, may not be the Father, and that it could have been any number of men that she came in contact with. However, in watching all the current Family Tree researching shows-it was quite common for the Head of a household, or his son or bother, to have relations with a servant girl, during slave times in the USA-so it is worth a look)
I have seen Polish church Birth records where the child is listed as Illigitimate and the Father's Name space is left Blank. So A church Birth Record may not give you what you seek. Perhaps the LDS Church has the records for the Village you listed.
My guess would be that an explanation would more likely be Verbal & passed down if his mother ever confided in anyone or wrote it down in a letter that still exists in a family member's paperwork.
I actually have a similar situation. After my Mother died in 2001, I found a letter written to her by her cousin, in 1977. Her cousin was telling my Mother, that their Mother's were actually only 1/2 sister's, and that Their Mother's had the same Mother, but different Father's. The cousin's Mother was sent to live with her Aunt and was adopted by her and used the Aunt's last name. I had never heard this story in my whole life, and I'm pretty certain, that my Mother had never heard it either.
So I highly suggest that you keep asking ALL of your known relatives to check whatever old family paperwork they may have in the attic!
Have you made any attempt to contact the Polsih Archives and request info on the name that he did use? It's doubtful that you will find the name of his Father-but still worth checking.
Good Luck to you,
MaryAnne
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