Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 7:39 pm
Post subject: Guardianship noted in German (Pommerania) Marriage record?
Michael kindly translated the 1865 marriage record of John Krüger and Augustina Rogalinska at: https://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=3263&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=345.
It indicated that the approval for the bride was from the “guardianship court (Vormundschaftsgericht)”.
I was wondering if there might be some guardianship court papers for Augustina and, if so, how to obtain copies?
Thank-You for any assistance and/or insight that you may be able to provide!
Jajan
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Posted: 7 Days ago at 6:12 am
Post subject: Re: Guardianship noted in German (Pommerania) Marriage recor
| jajan wrote: | Michael kindly translated the 1865 marriage record of John Krüger and Augustina Rogalinska at: https://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=3263&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=345.
It indicated that the approval for the bride was from the “guardianship court (Vormundschaftsgericht)”.
I was wondering if there might be some guardianship court papers for Augustina and, if so, how to obtain copies?
Thank-You for any assistance and/or insight that you may be able to provide!
Jajan |
Hi Jajan,
On the Family Search website, you can do a search of their catalog. If you search by keyword, and use the term Vormundschaftsakten rather than Vormundschaftsgericht, there are 100 results. You would have to sift through those to see if the location of Augustina's marriage (or would it have to be the location of her birth? I have never tried to access this type of record.) is among them. Alternatively, you could search the catalog by place and then see if any of the results include the words Vormundschaftsgericht or Vormundschaftsakten or something similar.
Good luck!
Sophia
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Posted: 5 Days ago at 8:47 am
Post subject: Re: Guardianship noted in German (Pommerania) Marriage recor
[/quote] Hi Jajan,
On the Family Search website, you can do a search of their catalog. If you search by keyword, and use the term Vormundschaftsakten rather than Vormundschaftsgericht, there are 100 results. You would have to sift through those to see if the location of Augustina's marriage (or would it have to be the location of her birth? I have never tried to access this type of record.) is among them. Alternatively, you could search the catalog by place and then see if any of the results include the words Vormundschaftsgericht or Vormundschaftsakten or something similar.
Good luck!
Sophia[/quote]
Thank-You, Sophia! This is helpful and very interesting. I do not know Augustina’s birthplace and she doesn’t appear in any of the birth indexes for the region, so I am going to have to expand my search to unindexed parishes and other records. I appreciate the clarification of the term to use (Vormundschaftsakten).
jajan
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Posted: 4 Days ago at 10:03 am
Post subject: Re: Guardianship noted in German (Pommerania) Marriage recor
| jajan wrote: |
Thank-You, Sophia! This is helpful and very interesting. I do not know Augustina’s birthplace and she doesn’t appear in any of the birth indexes for the region, so I am going to have to expand my search to unindexed parishes and other records. I appreciate the clarification of the term to use (Vormundschaftsakten).
jajan |
Hi Jajan,
You mentioned that you were looking for Augustina in birth indexes. Have you tried looking directly at the church books from Lipusz/Lippusch? They are here:
https://metryki.genbaza.pl/genbaza,list,348474,1
And you will notice that the way each jpg image is named will give you the key as to what year you are looking at.
In this thread, you give her surname as Rogalinska, but in your 2019 conversation with Michael you gave it as Rogalska. If you think there is any possibility that it could be stretched to Rekowska, then this 1848 birth might be of interest (fifth baptism on the page):
https://metryki.genbaza.pl/genbaza,detail,348474,119
Not very convincing, though, is it? Particularly since it does not show her family as being in Squierawen. Even so, maybe you can just try to trace what happens to this Augustina so that you can rule her out for sure.
Best of luck in finding her,
Sophia
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Posted: 18 hours ago at 7:48 am
Post subject: Re: Guardianship noted in German (Pommerania) Marriage recor
| Sophia wrote: |
Hi Jajan,
You mentioned that you were looking for Augustina in birth indexes. Have you tried looking directly at the church books from Lipusz/Lippusch? They are here:
https://metryki.genbaza.pl/genbaza,list,348474,1
And you will notice that the way each jpg image is named will give you the key as to what year you are looking at.
In this thread, you give her surname as Rogalinska, but in your 2019 conversation with Michael you gave it as Rogalska. If you think there is any possibility that it could be stretched to Rekowska, then this 1848 birth might be of interest (fifth baptism on the page):
https://metryki.genbaza.pl/genbaza,detail,348474,119
Not very convincing, though, is it? Particularly since it does not show her family as being in Squierawen. Even so, maybe you can just try to trace what happens to this Augustina so that you can rule her out for sure.
Best of luck in finding her,
Sophia |
Thanks, again, Sophia. The correct last name is Rogalska. I mis-typed it above. I have seen the church books and have gone through them but am going to do so again. Since the marriage record does not provide parent names, I was hoping the orphan court records might help me prove that I have the right birth record once I find any that could be the right fit.
Have a great week! jajan.
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