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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Hi,
The link above is to the Civil Registry Office. I am attaching documents from the church in Wielki Komorsk, which are not available online.
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tiagogorski
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Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:35 am
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| BarbOslo wrote: | Hi,
The link above is to the Civil Registry Office. I am attaching documents from the church in Wielki Komorsk, which are not available online.
-Barb |
Woww, this is much more then I was expecting. Many thanks Barb!
I could get through the Geneteka information and find the archives in the site you sent, but to be honest it was really difficult to read the writting in ink, so I lost some hours and after sometime looking the documents it all looks the same. I also don't speak german so it made even more difficult.
I don't know how to thank you for your goodwill. My family has been tracking this for years.
Just out of curiosity, how did you get the pictures from the Church of Wielki Komorsk?
best
Tiago Gorski
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:43 am
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Hi Tiago,
I'm glad I could help you. Ask if you have more questions. I have access to quite a bit from that area.
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tiagogorski
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:39 pm
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| BarbOslo wrote: | Hi Tiago,
I'm glad I could help you. Ask if you have more questions. I have access to quite a bit from that area.
Regards,
-Barb |
Hi Barb,
Could you please help me with this one? Not sure if I'm doing it right. Thanks to you, Michael (from the Forum) translated the marriage document of Franz Gorski and Julianna Zawadzinska, based on that I could confirm that Franz was born in 1866 and their parents were Johann Gorski and Anna Cerowska. With this information I could find a record of Franz Birth in Geneteka:
https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=eng&bdm=B&w=02kp&rid=20&search_lastname=Gorski&search_name=franz&search_lastname2=Cerowska&search_name2=&from_date=1866&to_date=1866
https://www.ptg.gda.pl/language/en/database/vital-records
Going from there I acessed the site genealogiawarchiwach, and choose town Nowe, and selected year 1866, but it showns only administration records of the city (probably land administration etc..).
There is any other place that we can search, or I did someting wrong?
https://www.genealogiawarchiwach.pl/#query.type=ALL&query.facetQuery.date=1866&query.city=Nowe&query.suggestion=false&query.thumbnails=false&query.facet=true&query.asc=false&query.sortMode=PUBLICATION&personTree=false&goComments=false&searcher=big&query.query
akta miast i administracja miejska
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Tiago Gorski
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:51 pm
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Hi Tiago,
This is not available online, but I have access. Here is Franciszek's birth record.
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tiagogorski
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Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:11 pm
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Hi Barb,
Many thanks for your help. I've shared it with my family members, and everyone is very happy with the findings.
Now we are struggling to find any kind of marriage record between Marian Gorski and Eugenia Reichmann which are my great grandparents. Not sure if you can provide some guidance on this one.
My great grandfather, Marian Gorski fought on WWI and after the war he met my great grand mother Eugenia Reichmann. We have a translated document in which it states that Eugenia was born in 1900 in Olpin, (which I believe is the city of Olpiny in the Voivodeship of Lesser Poland, in Tarnow county). We know that their first child was born in 1924 in Kamien, Lublin Voivodeship - Chełmski County.
Do you know if there is any online archive for these regions that I can check?
I couldn't find anything in geneteka or in jewish records (Eugenia was Jewish).
Best!
Tiago Gorski
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:44 am
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Hi Tiago,
Can you share with us the birth record of Eugenia? I cannot see this one in parish Olpiny (Lesser Voivodeship). I also cannot find a child with the surname Gorski born in 1924 in Kamien (Lublin Voivodeship).
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tiagogorski
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Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 9:49 am
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| BarbOslo wrote: | Hi Tiago,
Can you share with us the birth record of Eugenia? I cannot see this one in parish Olpiny (Lesser Voivodeship). I also cannot find a child with the surname Gorski born in 1924 in Kamien (Lublin Voivodeship).
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Hi Barb, I'm attaching the file in which it is stated that Eugenia was born in Olpin in 1900. The document is in portuguese but the important parts is translated in English below:
I hereby certify that I have been presented with a birth and baptism certificate in Polish, issued by the official registry office of the Evangelical-Augsburg parish in Wlodzimierz, Wholynia government, Republic of Poland, to be translated into Portuguese......: birth and baptism certificate no. 167/1927. I hereby certify that Eugenia Gorski, daughter of Isaaka Reichmann and Pesy Czeczyk, was born in Olpin on August 1, and was baptized on May 6, 1927.
Wlodzimierz, October 29, 1935. Civil registrar: Pastor (Ks). A. Schon. Stamp of the Evangelical-Augsburg parish in Wlodzimierz, no. 985.
Some insights: we have a family information that their first child was born in Kamien 1924. their second and third child Liliy Gorski (1926) and Josef Gorski (1928 - my grandfather) were born in Wlodzimierz Wholynia, the same place she was batized in 1927. I noticed that the same church father, A. Schoen baptized both, Eugenia Gorski and my grandfater Josef Gorski.
Based on that, I tought that Eguenia maybe was baptized just prior to the marriage, so maybe the marriage occured in Wladzimierz Wholhynia, and I found this marriage records of the region, but couldn't find anything, eventhough the same pastor A. Schoen signed the documents that I found. See link below:
Vholynian region records: https://www.agad.gov.pl/inwentarze/KsEA439x.xml
I checked every page of archives Księga metrykalna ślubów (Marriage records) in 1927, 1928 and 1929:
http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/439/sygn.%20102/indeks.htm
http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/439/sygn.%20103/indeks.htm
http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/439/sygn.%20104/indeks.htm
And also the Index slubów (marriage index):
http://agadd2.home.net.pl/metrykalia/439/sygn.%20299/album/index.html
http://agadd2.home.net.pl/metrykalia/439/sygn.%20300/album/index.html
http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/439/sygn.%20110/indeks.htm
My grandfather, Mariano Gorski, was a pastor of the Lutheran church, so there is a chance that maybe Eugenia needs to be baptzied in order to him become a Pastor.
Basically due to my grandfather's travels, it is difficult to establish the region where he got married.
I've also checked the birth register of Olpinich that I found on the link below, but no lucky as well:
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/5882283
I'm attaching the translated document of Eugenia Gorski and my grandfather Josef Gorski, you can see that both were baptized in the same region, same church, same Pastor, under the same register no. 985.
Despite the documents are dated from 1935, they arrived in Brazil in 1931, and seems that at the time they lost their documents and requested for copies, so I believe that church send new ones, dated as 1935.
It is very exciting to research the lives of our ancestors, and although I spend many hours on it, I am enjoying every minute. I hope this information can help you find some direction.
Please reach out if you have any doubt.
Best!
Tiago Gorski
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 11:01 am
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Thanks Tiago, I'll look into it. It is highly probable that Eugenie converted to the Evangelical-Augsburg religion and therefore she was baptized so late.
There's a link to a nice page about Wolyn. Are you familiar with this?
https://wolynskie.pl/index.html
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tiagogorski
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Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 12:29 pm
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| BarbOslo wrote: | Thanks Tiago, I'll look into it. It is highly probable that Eugenie converted to the Evangelical-Augsburg religion and therefore she was baptized so late.
There's a link to a nice page about Wolyn. Are you familiar with this?
https://wolynskie.pl/index.html
-Barb |
I'm not familiar. Acutally I started the research 1 week ago, so I'm get familiar with everything, polish words, archives etc..
I'll look into it. Many thanks!
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Tiago Gorski
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 2:53 pm
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Unfortunately, I found nothing that could lead me further. Marian was born in 1899, Eugenia in 1900. I cannot find her birth record. I am not sure if Olpin is Ołpiny in (Lesser Voivodeship). There are over 600 km between the birthplaces of both. He was born Catholic, she Jewish. Later they belong to the Evangelical-Augsburg Church.
Marriage records are central to this search. They married between 1917-1924. I would say closer to 1924. Where? Not where he came from. It could be Olpin, where Eugenia was born or Kamien, where the first child was born. Where is Kamien located? Not necessarily in Lublin Voivodeship. Several places are called Kamien in Poland. We also have the birth of two children in the area of Wlodzimierz Wolynski (today's Ukraine). And finally, emigration to Brazil in 1931. A lot of moving.
It will not be an easy job to solve this puzzle.
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Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:33 pm
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Hi Tiago and Barb,
Tiago, I am not sure if you had this manifest for Marian and Eugenia.
Name Marian Gorski
Gender männlich (Male)
Ethnicity/Nationality Polen (Polish)
Marital Status verheiratet (Married)
Departure Age 32
Birth Date abt 1899
Residence Place Prenzlau
Departure Date 05 Nov 1931 (5 Nov 1931)
Departure Place Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Destination Buenos Aires
Arrival Place Gijon; Vigo; Leixoes; Las Palmas; Südamerika Ostküste
Occupation Arbeiter
Ship Name Bayern
Shipping Clerk Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft)
Shipping Line Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft)
Ship Type Sonstiges
Ship Flag Deutschland
Accommodation 3. Klasse
Volume 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 396
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Marian Gorski 32
Eugenie Gorski 31 Ehefrau (Wife)
Apolonia Gorski 7 Tochter (Daughter)
Lilly Gorski 5 Tochter (Daughter)
Josef Gorski 3 Sohn (Son)
Hans Gorski 2 Sohn (Son)
Alfred Gorski 1 Sohn (Son)
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tiagogorski
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Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 6:06 pm
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| Trish wrote: | Hi Tiago and Barb,
Tiago, I am not sure if you had this manifest for Marian and Eugenia.
Name Marian Gorski
Gender männlich (Male)
Ethnicity/Nationality Polen (Polish)
Marital Status verheiratet (Married)
Departure Age 32
Birth Date abt 1899
Residence Place Prenzlau
Departure Date 05 Nov 1931 (5 Nov 1931)
Departure Place Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Destination Buenos Aires
Arrival Place Gijon; Vigo; Leixoes; Las Palmas; Südamerika Ostküste
Occupation Arbeiter
Ship Name Bayern
Shipping Clerk Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft)
Shipping Line Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft)
Ship Type Sonstiges
Ship Flag Deutschland
Accommodation 3. Klasse
Volume 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 396
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Marian Gorski 32
Eugenie Gorski 31 Ehefrau (Wife)
Apolonia Gorski 7 Tochter (Daughter)
Lilly Gorski 5 Tochter (Daughter)
Josef Gorski 3 Sohn (Son)
Hans Gorski 2 Sohn (Son)
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Hi Tirsh (sorry I thought it was Barb). I didn't have this manifest. Many thanks!
Hans and Alfred were born in Prenzlau (Germany) which ate the time were the yongests.
So it means that they married before they left from Germany. I have a similiar document that we got of their arrivel in Buenos Aires in 1931. Please see attached.
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