Antoninis
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2026 1:11 am
Post subject: Antal Antoniego and Antoni Soldati di Fortuna
My wife´s ancestry came from Northern Italy to Cracow at around 1400ies, with the name Antonini, taken in Italy after 1308. The family members live in Finland today after arriving via the Polish Livland to the Swedish Livland Colony called Ingermanland and during the Great Northern War (1700-1721) the in one branch moved for Stockholm in 1702 and between 1700 and 1710 in five branches in present Finland areas -then part of the Swedish Kingdom. Cousins lived in Pommern (Stettin and Stralsund) during 16th and 17th century, and Cracow during the 16th also.
The family legends tell that after 1400 "the family came from Italy but via Hungary".
As one part of the family ancestry in Sweitzerland descends from Jan (Giovanni) di Antonini, born in Cassovia in 1499, and came to Cracow, to Court as Doctor for Zygmund the Old and the Swiss brabch used the same form of family name writing as the Swedish(Finninsh) branches in the early stage "de Antoninis" we have seen this the right branch from Hungary to Poland and further. But as one branch left from Cracow to Gdands in early 17th century and also member if this branch arrived Ingermanland after 1630ies, the one my wife in 1660ies. Following the Cracow university alumnus Jan A. was called Antoniego, and now I understand iit means "of Amtoni" -thanks to this forum. and Jan was a son of Antoni.
With a Milanese genealogist we have been researching if the family of Antoni and Jan "Antal" was Italian -amongst the Italian families setteld in Kassa and other Polish cities -in vain. It seems to be real Hungarian family.
With this we have another problem the de Antoninis-Anthonis in Finland are of Y DNA N-BY21971 and we have been in the impression for some time that the Y DNA may be broken during the many Swedish-Polish wars, 30Years of War etc. Also. the Finnish Y DNA specialists explain the Y DNA is not possible from Hungarian N YDNA origins. But the area in Friuli where the Italian branch lives in is in former Aquileia Patriarchate and the trade routes from the Baltic area come there also via Hungary, were used in Medieval times also, and the arrival in Friuli is noted as of German ancetry. and they were mercenaries, city capteins, and tradesmen, known until 1721 as fencing masters, sword polishers, as the one ancestor who arrived in 1702 for Sweden, all his sons and siblings in Pommern. We are given limited information that in 1572-1574 in Cracow lived Franciscus de Antoninis, who trained fencings for the nobility, a skilled Rapier swordsman following the Italian masters also seving the Court of Poland and even put up a fencing school there at that time. If right his granchild would be the maestro di Scherma/Spada swordmaster Dominus Franciscus de Antoninis that died in Stockholm in 1702, documented well in archives and the father for all Anthoni five branches in Sweden-Finland, likely more. Sorry the lng text but we are extremely interested in th Fencinsg School in Cracow and Gdansk -at least, what ever the DNA.
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