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Post Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:33 pm      Post subject: Salaban and Tychonska (Przemysl)
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Hello,

I've been trying to find my 3x great-grandparents, Icko Salaban and Maryna Tychonska, but no records have turned up yet. My great-great-grandmother, Katarzyna Salaban Zaucha (1879-1930) apparently emigrated from Przemysl to Halifax, Canada in 1899. Even though I don't have an exact birth location yet, I think it's worth mentioning that I've found several people with the Tichonski name in the village of Popowice/Popovychi and also an illegitimate "Salebanko" child in nearby Chodnowice/Khidnovychi in the 1860s. Any help/advice is appreciated.
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Post Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 2:43 am      Post subject: Re: Salaban and Tychonska (Przemysl)
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td85 wrote:
Hello,

I've been trying to find my 3x great-grandparents, Icko Salaban and Maryna Tychonska, but no records have turned up yet. My great-great-grandmother, Katarzyna Salaban Zaucha (1879-1930) apparently emigrated from Przemysl to Halifax, Canada in 1899. Even though I don't have an exact birth location yet, I think it's worth mentioning that I've found several people with the Tichonski name in the village of Popowice/Popovychi and also an illegitimate "Salebanko" child in nearby Chodnowice/Khidnovychi in the 1860s. Any help/advice is appreciated.


Hello,
Do you have any documents relating to your great-great grandmother, Katarzyna Salaban Zaucha (1879-1930)? Icko Salabam sounds Jewish, but no Jew names his daughters Katarzyna. In addition, Icko married Maryna Tichonska. Then you probably have to check Greek Catholic parishes. I found surname Salaban in Przemysl (Greek Catholic), but no surname Tychonski. In Ukraine, however, both come. There are short distances between Przemysl-Khidnovychi-Popovychi.
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Post Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 6:11 am      Post subject:
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Update: Though I've yet to find an "Icko" Salaban in any of the records, I spent some of the day yesterday looking through Greek Catholic records for the villages of Jaksmanice and Siedliska on Family Search and it seems very likely that the Salaban family from at least one of, if not both of, those villages is related to my own.

One of the other names in Jaksmanice that stuck out to me was Malachowski/a, particularly an Ewa Malachowska (b. about 1831), daughter of Bazyli and Maria Bednar, who married Andreas Salaban (b. about 1833), son of Teodor and Anna Koropas. What's really interesting is that Ewa's brother, Jakob (b. 25 Oct 1845), married Tekla Szestopol (b. 1 Oct 1853), who emigrated with my ancestor Katarzyna Salaban to Halifax, Nova Scotia in 1899. Based on Andreas' year of birth, I wonder if he could be Katarzyna's uncle or grandfather.
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Post Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 11:56 am      Post subject:
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Hi,
I would like to see documents about the people you have mentioned. Do you have a birth or marriage record for Katarzyna (1879-1930)? Or travel documents from 1899? It is very difficult to help without any documents confirming name or location.
Was Katarzyna born in Przemysl? Or was it her last place of residence before her departure in 1899?
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Post Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 12:08 pm      Post subject:
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Trish and Sophia, do you manage to find the ship's manifest for Katarzyna and her parents from 1899?
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Post Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 4:38 am      Post subject:
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BarbOslo wrote:
Trish and Sophia, do you manage to find the ship's manifest for Katarzyna and her parents from 1899?
-Barb


Hi Barb,
I did look for the manifest of entry into Halifax, but did not see it. I cannot tell from what td85 wrote, whether she arrived as Katarzyna Salaban or as Katarzyna Zaucha and whether 1899 is the actual year or an approximation. I do not think td85 was saying that Katarzyna's parents emigrated with her, only Jakob Malachowski. The Canadian manifests for this time frame are not as informative as you might like (you may only see a country of origin, but no town), but of course it would still be interesting to see it.
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Post Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 5:44 am      Post subject:
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Hi Barb and Sophia,

I apologize for not including these in my post.

Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934: https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1068&h=647430&ssrc=pt&tid=177221275&pid=252305326477&usePUB=true

The record on FamilySearch (which I had to add myself, as it wasn't indexed for some reason): https://www.familysearch.org/tree/sources/viewedit/QPZL-32F?context

Year of immigration was 1899. Unfortunately, it appears her last place of residence is listed as only being Przemyśl on the Ancestry.com record.

I also apologize for not being clearer in my last post. I don't believe Katarzyna's parents came over, but Tekla (Szestopol) Malachowska and her two children were also aboard the ship Bulgaria according to the record. I didn't see Jakob aboard with them, so I'm guessing he was already in Canada at the time. Both Tekla and Jakob remained in Canada while Katarzyna and husband Wawrzyniec (married 1900 in Winnipeg) left for Minnesota, where Wawrzyniec had already been living (he was married once before, but his first wife died).

I tried reaching out to the person who provided the info on Katarzyna's parents' names, Icko and Maryna, to see where it came from, but they never got back to me. Thank you for the help, and once again I apologize!
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Post Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 8:06 am      Post subject:
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Hi again,

I'm currently going through the Greek Catholic church records for Torki, and the entry for house #141 stands out. I believe it says Hryc's father's name is Tychonski, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm also having a difficult time making out the mother's first name.



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Post Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 8:27 am      Post subject:
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Hi,
Hryc's father's name is Michael (Michał) Tyrański. Mother's name is Ruzga nee Walewicz.

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Ah, thanks Barb! I do see now that it is Tyronski after finding a record where the writing's much easier to read.

I should note that I do have a DNA match with a descendant of a Horeczko from Torki, so there could still be a link there. I'll keep looking.
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Post Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 9:06 am      Post subject:
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How did you get the date of birth for Katarzyna? Do you have Katarzyna's marriage record from February 19th, 1900?
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Post Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 11:34 am      Post subject:
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Hi td85,
Thanks for all the info that you posted. I looked at what you have on Family Search, very nicely done! I cannot access anything on Ancestry.
I see that on your Family Search info for Katarzyna Salaban, you list her birthplace as "Bezirk Przemyśl" which is important (if you have that from a reliable source) because it means that she is from that district and not necessarily from Przemyśl itself.
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Hope you don't mind me asking for help reading another record!

From the village of Cykow, #22. I can't tell if the child's name is supposed to be Maryanna, Marianna, or something else (Maruna? Matrona?), and I'm unsure what the father's last name is. All I can make out is the first name, Onuphrius.



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Post Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 1:27 am      Post subject:
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td85 wrote:
Hope you don't mind me asking for help reading another record!

From the village of Cykow, #22. I can't tell if the child's name is supposed to be Maryanna, Marianna, or something else (Maruna? Matrona?), and I'm unsure what the father's last name is. All I can make out is the first name, Onuphrius.


Hi,
Name: Marianna
Date of birth: March 11th, 1852
Date of baptism: the same date
House number: 22
Religion: Catholic
Gender: Girl
Legitimate or illegitimate: Legitimate
The Father: Onuphrius* Michancik (?), a peasant from Tyszkowice
The Mother: Euphrosina*, a daughter of Andreas Blachuta
The godparents: Andreas Derewiany (?) and Maria Woźniak

*Onuphrius – Onufry
*Euphrosina - Eufrozyna

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Post Posted: Sat May 25, 2024 10:34 am      Post subject:
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You're the best, Barb! Thank you so much.

I'm going to try not to get ahead of myself, but I wonder if this illegitimate daughter of Anna Blahuta, Maryna, is the one I'm looking for. If so, I wonder why the father wasn't present. Something I found interesting: Maryna has the exact same godparents as an illegitimate "Salabanka" child that I found in Chodnowice. Hmm.



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