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gaet820

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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:09 pm Post subject: Surname Prisnar (Pzejner, Prisnar, Praysner)

Hi everyone:

I am new to this and I would like to get some help to learn how to find information about my grandmother and her family. My grandmother Katherine Zywar was born in 1876. I do not know the name of her village. It might be Korczyna, or maybe Molinowka- but I have nothing to confirm. Katherine died in Sault Ste. Marie Ontario Caanda at the age of 65. Her parents were John and Mary Zywar- I don't know Mary's maiden name.

I have very little knowledge about my grandmother, but when my mother was alive she said that all she knew was that her mother Katherine was an only child and that she didn't talk about her family.

My grandfather- Katherine's husband- was Joseph Prisnar born 24 Jeb. 1880 in Orenchowka Galicia. I don't know the name of his parents. My grandfather came to Canada on the 22 Feb. 1907 to work at Algoma Steel and he came with a Valenty Zywar and Piotr Zych all to work at the Steel Mill.I would appreciate any help. Thank you

Pat

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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Surname Prisnar (Pzejner, Prisnar, Praysner)

gaet820 wrote:

Hi Pat,
Do you have a date of death for your grandmother? I don't know what the Canadian death certificates look like, but in the US they include the parents names if the informant knows.

When you look for your grandmother, don't rule out the Polish spelling of names:
Katarzyna = Katherine
Jan = John
Mary.... now there are several choices for that one! LOL

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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:24 am Post subject:

I see that Algoma Steel was located in Sault Ste. Marie, so I assume Joseph and Katharine had lived there the rest of their lives? Have you seen the ship manifest that Joseph was on? Was your mother born in Canada or in Poland? If you know the church where she was baptised, they could possibly have her grandparents names, including your great grandmother's maiden name.

gaet820

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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:12 am Post subject: Surname Prisnar (Pzejner, Prisnar, Praysner

Hi Cheri

I have tried using the name Katarzyna and also Jan but nothing is coming up. Joseph and Katherine lived all their lives in Sault Ste. Marie. JOseph came on the ship Friedrich der Grosse port of departure Bremen, Germany and date of arrival was Feb 22 1907 at the age of 27.My mother was born in Sault Ste. Marie and on her baptisimal certificate they only had the name of Katherine Zywar and Joseph Praysner. On my mother's birth certificate they put her name down as Vicara Agnasy Prisnar when her name was Veronica Praysner. On my grandfather's passenger record he is listed as Josef Prisnar and on his Canadian Citizen paper it is Joseph Prajsner. The name prisnar is spelt so many different ways and possibly this is the reason I can't find much info on my grandparents. Thanks for replying Pat

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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:25 pm Post subject:

Pat,
Here's Josef Prisnar on line 24, and the other men you mentioned on lines 25, 26. http://tinyurl.com/c24797e
They came through Ellis Island, I wasn't sure if they would, but once I looked at a map, it made sense. I'll see if I can find Katherine/Katarzyna. They arrived 22 Feb 1907, just like you said. I don't know why I had such a hard time finding them!
Cheri

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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:35 pm Post subject:

Pat,
Do you if Joseph and Katharine were married in Poland or in Canada? I've been looking for both surnames, Zymar, and all the different ways to spell Prisnar...

gaet820

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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:48 pm Post subject: Surname Prisnar (Pzejner, Prisnar, Praysner0

HI Cheri

Yes Joseph and Katherine were married in Poland. I don't know what year it was. My mother had mentioned that they had either a child or twins that died in Poland. I know that they had a son that had died in Canada he was born Jan 15 1915 and died 27 August 1915 from summer diarriha

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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:40 pm Post subject:

Hi Pat,
That is so sad that your grandparents had children die so young. Our ancestors did not have it easy. It is helpful to give any details that someone reading this might recognize about your family, or someone searching might be able to connect for you.

I didn't realize that there were 4 villages by the name of Orzechówka in Poland. I see that on Josef's passenger record it only gives the village name, not the district the village was in. What about his Citizenship papers, did it identify the village any further? I had started to look for church information, but first we need to find out where the village was located it Poland.

Is there any reason that you believe that Katharine could be from Korczyna or Molinowka? If you know of any relatives from those villages, than perhaps the Orzechówka we are looking for is the one very close by to those villages.

You said that your grandmother was an only child. What about your grandfather? Do you know of any of his brothers or sisters? It is really helpful to research collateral lines. The siblings might have records with information that you can't find for your grandfather's parents.

I see that Walenty Zywar was also from Orzechówka. Were you able to figure out where Piotr Zych was from? Wola Z?....I wonder if that village was near Josef's Orzechówka.
Cheri

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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:50 am Post subject:

A Keyword search in Ancestry.com or FamilySearch on the village name can reveal some interesting things..... such as people whose names were transcribed incorrectly.

For Orzechowka, several Preisner names and Zywar / Cywar names come up. Interestingly, many people from Orzechowka were traveling with people from Wolaorzechowska (Wola Orzechowska). This is a big clue and may help you determine your ancestral villages.

Perhaps you can give this a try and maybe uncover some clues. I look forward to hearing about your findings. I discovered several "hidden" ancestors using the keyword search.

Did your grandparents ever mention having family or friends in New Castle, Pennsylvania - many people were headed there.

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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:14 am Post subject: Re Surname Prisnar (Pzejner, Prisnar, Praysner)

Hi Cheri and Shellie

On Joseph's papers from the Republic of Poland Consulate General for Canada in Montreal it states The Polish Consulate General in Montreal ceertifies that Mr. Joseph Prajsner from Malinowka dist Bozozow was born on February 24 1880 religion Roman Catholic profession Laborer residing at Sault Ste. Marie Ontario. but on ancestry they have him from Orzechowka so I took this to be right. On this document it is in Polish and translated into english. Do you think I should be looking into what is on this document as his place of residence. I will do a search under the surname of Cywar I certainly didn't consider the name starting with a C but again there are so many different spellings. My mother never mentioned any one from Pennsylvania I did try a Prisnar which I thought could be related but the gentleman wrote back and said that the one he knew was a bachelor and had no family that he knew of. I do know that Joseph had relatives in Newark New Jersey and that isn't so clear as when they visited they said that they were cousins but my mother said that their mother was Joseph's half sister. The mother's name was Aneila Pzejner and was married to a John Mickowski so it seems that no one had any info straight I guess it was because no one discussed anything to do with family. Thank you both for trying to help it is really appreciated

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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:04 pm Post subject:

Pat,
This information is very helpful. It just goes to show that it's good to give any information that you have, even if it conflicts. Until you see his birth/baptismal record from a church, you won't know for sure where he was born. He is the person that gave the information that he was born in two different places. On the manifest he could have just meant that Orzechowka was his last place of residence, even though there were seperate lines for that and place of birth. Now we know which Orzechowka, because that village, and Malinowka are very close, and are both in the Przemyl Archdiocese.

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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:07 pm Post subject:

Pat,
Cheri and I think this will help you clear up the confusion:

Orzechowka is in the county of Brzozów. During his time, this was part of a district called Malinowka. I do not know if this is still true - districts and other bounderies changed over time for many places.

This is the one you are probably looking for:
http://goo.gl/maps/fVXF0

Pat, can you scan and post the document you have?

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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:01 pm Post subject: Surname Variation

I have a Preizner in my family from Wysoka. You might want to check out this spelling of your name too.

gaet820

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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Surname Prisnar (Pzejner, Prisnar, Praysner)

HI Shellie

I don't have a scanner but I will find someone that has one and I will Have this document scanned and sent to you. Thanks to you Cheri and Edziu340 for getting back to me. I will be looking into the spellings that you have sent me and hopefully I will come up with something and Thanks again Pat

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