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Sophia
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:21 am      Post subject:
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Hi Yapper,

Well, yes, in fact I am spectacular. However, we are not quite there in your quest to know which church your family records are from. We seem to have figured out which Weigelsdorf is the correct one. Specifically, your Weigelsdorf appears to be the one in Münsterberg, Breslau, Schlesien, Preussen. On current day maps, this is Wigancice, Poland, exactly as you had labelled it in your title of this thread.

The unfortunate thing is that whoever indexed the records on Family Search has instead indicated the Weigelsdorf in Reichenbach, Breslau, Schlesien, which on today's maps is Ostroszowice, Poland. I believe this Weigelsdorf to be incorrect, based on my read of the document, the maps, and my conversation with Michael on your other thread.

Now, even though Wigancice has a church today, it is not the church from the timeframe of your records. It appears to me that your records were from a church in Münsterberg. The Meyer's Gazetteer entry for Münsterberg says that it has two Catholic churches. So, which was it? You have clues in the translation that Michael did. The 1803 baptism and marriage were both performed by father Edmundus Adolph. The burial of Franz Mücke was performed by Caplan (chaplain) Preuss. You need to find out which church they served. Then we will know for sure where this church really was.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:40 am      Post subject: Re: Translation
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Sophia wrote:
yapper wrote:
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thanks for the guidance - will post on other thread - quick question - if record is in German rather than Latin could that mean that it is perhaps Lutheran rather than Catholic? Question


Hi,
The fact that the records are in German does not tell you what denomination they are. The links that Cynthia provided are to an index of both Catholic and Lutheran records. Hopefully Trish, who was able to obtain actual images, can tell you which it was (by paging backwards to the beginning of the church book). That should enable you to find the answer to your other question of whether that church still exists.
Sophia


Hi Everyone,

Sorry for the delay in responding. The records that Cynthia linked and I posted are from familysearch.org. The information and link is below. The records were from microfilm #1899224 (DGS #7769312).

Kirchenbuch, 1683-1920
Author: Katholische Kirche Weigelsdorf (Kr. Münsterberg

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/585458?availability=Family%20History%20Library

(Note: added the Locality Subjects)
Locality Subjects
Germany, Preußen, Schlesien, Münsterberg, Weigelsdorf - Church records
Poland, Wrocław, Ząbkowice Śląskie, Wigancice - Church records

(Note: Added information to original records)
I went back to the documents I posted and added the record number, film number, and image number. Hope this helps.

Have a great day!
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:35 am      Post subject:
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Hello all,

Yes, Sophia, you are correct. The church is in Munsterberg. Here is the link to the Family Search parish books for the Catholic Church. They are locked, meaning you must view them from a research center, but you will see two magnifying glasses indicating those two items have been indexed by volunteers and can be searched. If you select the second magnifying glass for the Taufe (birth) records for 1803, you will be able to search for and find the baptismal record. So, yes, the images of the records Trish provided are from the Catholic parish books.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/585458?availability=Family%20History%20Library

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Cynthia
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:00 pm      Post subject:
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Hi Trish and Cynthia,
Great to have the microfilm citations and the links, I'm sure Yapper will appreciate having that information.
What we still do not know is which parish these records are from. Munsterberg (on today's map, Ziębice, Poland) had two catholic churches. Do either of you know how to determine which one these records are from, other than going back to the microfilm and looking for an image with a book cover (or title page) that gives the name of the parish?
The two churches still exist.
One is the Basilica of St. George:
http://www.bazylikamniejszaziebice.pl/
and
Parafia pw. św. Apostołów Piotra i Pawła w Ziębicach which seems not to have a website.
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 10:11 am      Post subject:
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Sophia wrote:
Hi Trish and Cynthia,
Great to have the microfilm citations and the links, I'm sure Yapper will appreciate having that information.
What we still do not know is which parish these records are from. Munsterberg (on today's map, Ziębice, Poland) had two catholic churches. Do either of you know how to determine which one these records are from, other than going back to the microfilm and looking for an image with a book cover (or title page) that gives the name of the parish?
The two churches still exist.
One is the Basilica of St. George:
http://www.bazylikamniejszaziebice.pl/
and
Parafia pw. św. Apostołów Piotra i Pawła w Ziębicach which seems not to have a website.
Best,
Sophia


Hi Sophia, Cynthia, and everyone,
I went back into the microfilm. There wasn't a "book cover" shown. If there was one, it was blank. However, I did download a copy of what familysearch.org listed before each section. I don't know if this is a help.

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 11:10 am      Post subject:
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Trish! You are terrific.
From what you posted, I do not see any reference at all to Munsterberg. It is as if the records came from the church in Weigelsdorf. I am so puzzled by that, as it was my impression that the Weigelsdorf church did not exist at the time of these records.
Thank you so much for trying to resolve it.
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:08 pm      Post subject:
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Sophia wrote:
Trish! You are terrific.
From what you posted, I do not see any reference at all to Munsterberg. It is as if the records came from the church in Weigelsdorf. I am so puzzled by that, as it was my impression that the Weigelsdorf church did not exist at the time of these records.
Thank you so much for trying to resolve it.
Sophia


Hi Sophia & Trish,

According to info in one of the sub-sites of Geneteka the RC parish in Wigańcice/Weigelsdorf was founded in the 15th century and was under the patronage of St. Bartholomew. Link: https://parafie.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=pr&pid=9519 The metrical books in the parish archives begin post WWII (1945) but obviously the parish is much older. Attached is a pic of the church and here is a link to historic photos. https://polska-org.pl/517946,Wigancice,Kosciol_sw_Bartlomieja.html

Keep On Keepin’ On,

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Thanks, Dave! That solves it.
This is such a great community of volunteers.
Much respect to you all,
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You guys/gals rock Very Happy Very Happy
I am so grateful for all your diligent efforts to track this down for me & my family Exclamation
Now, I'll have to see if I can somehow connect to distant cousins in the area Razz Question
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