Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:16 am
Post subject: Lokczynski and Hordyk Families
We are searching for information about Michael Lokczynski, born 1814, and Constantia Hordyk.
They were married in Gromadno in 1841 and emigrated to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in 1846.
We are uncertain of the spelling of the last name Lokczynski as it was changed after arrival in the US. We have seen it as Lackinski, Loshensky, Lokcenski, Logenski, and others. They were among the early Polish immigrants to Milwaukee-- long before there was a Polish church to keep records, and before the state of Wisconsin kept regular records. We have information from the US Censuses of 1850 and 1860, but little else to trace these people.
We do have records of marriage documents from Gromadno. We would like to confirm these with at least one other document relating to the 2 families (Lokczynski and Hordyk). We are planning to see the "home town" and surrounding area. We would love to find living relatives. We would very much like to establish the reasons that these ancestors left Poland in 1846, and find out if anyone else went with them
We also hope to briefly visit Radzicz, which is near Gromadno. A close friend of ours has traced ancestors to this location and we want to at least take some photos..
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:49 am
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Hi dear Pmiller4,
I've checked for the first time your family ancestral places, homelands, and family names, here are my first thoughts:
FAMILY ANCESTRAL PLACES
All located on the northern edge of the Wielkopolska and Kujawsko-Pomorskie voivodeships, just on the border of them, closely to Pomorskie and Zachodnio-Pomorskie voivodeships, and with the place name Gromadno we have a problem that must be explained, as they are two places in the local area named Gromadno: the first Gromadno (330 inhabitants) in Wielkopolskia gmina Wyrzysk, the second Gromadno (219 inhabitants) is located abt 10 miles in SE direction, and belongs to gmina Kcynia, and Kujawsko-Pomorskie vovivodeship.
Interesting is that the place name Radzicz given in your message is nearly located (the same distance from both Gromadno!) in the Kujawsko-Pomorskie voivodeship.
To start my work with deeper analysis of all places in the 19th century I would like to ask you if you know for sure which Gromadno is the right one?
FAMILY NAMES
Lokczynski, Lackinski, Loshensky, Lokcenski, Logenski, etc. - are not Polish, and I must search all etymological and historical works trying to find the right one. This is base info for all your further search.
Hordyk is Polish, according to 1990 Polish census they were only 48 adults in Poland surnamed Hordyk, mainly from central-northern part of Poland - source www.herby.com.pl, according to Polish census 2002 they were only 45 adults in Poland surnamed Hordyk, and most from same area, including your family homelands, you can note for your familoy history book the surname map with this webpage: http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/hordyk.html
The surname Hordyk is rare, and this would be advantage in all further search.
All your Polish ancestors' name we can give you for today are:
Michał Lokczynski(spe?)
Konstancja Hordyk
Now, I see the few databases must be crossed, trying to locate the right family name, please give me a few days, weeks, I will use all works and databases I have in my office trying to help you, all will be given in short 10 points with the final remarks, here is the example of my analysis: http://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=2045&sid=998878bacc9b51716d4364e5c7f521f3
Highly appreciate you have started uncovering your family Polish roots, and have a plan to visit your family old country Poland.
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:02 pm
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Thank you for this fast and informative answer.
We do not know which Gromadno is the correct one. We understand the marriage records are now kept in the cathedral records in Gniezno.
So if Lokczynski etc., are not Polish, then what are they? I believe I have seen this name among records of Jewish holocaust survivors from Poland-- but our family has no record of being Jewish.
If the name Hordyk is rare, it would be very interesting to see if we can find living relatives. This is of course true of Lokczynski etc., it would be wonderful to trace living relatives. We will be doing this part of our tour before the Galicia tour, in early October.
Dziekuje!
Peter
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Elzbieta PorteneuvePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:51 pm
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| Pmiller4 wrote: |
So if Lokczynski etc., are not Polish, then what are they? I believe I have seen this name among records of Jewish holocaust survivors from Poland-- but our family has no record of being Jewish.
If the name Hordyk is rare, it would be very interesting to see if we can find living relatives. This is of course true of Lokczynski etc., it would be wonderful to trace living relatives. We will be doing this part of our tour before the Galicia tour, in early October.
Dziekuje!
Peter |
Peter, Tad,
It might be that the quoted potential variants of the name Lokczynski do not exist today, but I would not say those are not Polish. Diacritics change a lot.
Łaszczyński is Polish, 144 people with that name today
Łoszczyński - 11
Łaszyński - 17
Łoszyński - 11
Best,
Elzbieta
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