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derekwrobel

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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2024 2:49 pm Post subject:

Oh wow, thank you for this. I guess my family used to love the name Jan, so any ancestors with Jan Wrobel names. Razz

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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:07 pm Post subject:

Hi.
I managed this today.
Wedding 1 - Siwek-Jekot (November 12th, 1827)
Wedding 2 - Siwek-Kaim (March 1st, 1848)

Everything (births, deaths and weddings) in Ryglice.

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derekwrobel

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 1:26 pm Post subject:

Nice, thank you. I'm trying to link this in my family tree. How did you link this to the Wrobel names? Is this the parents of Maria (1768-1831) that you found?

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:31 pm Post subject:

derekwrobel wrote:

Nice, thank you. I'm trying to link this in my family tree. How did you link this to the Wrobel names? Is this the parents of Maria (1768-1831) that you found?

Hi,
No, Andrzej Siwek was the great-grandfather of Jan Wrobel (1897) on his mother's side. Will try to draw family connections, so you can see it better.

-Barb

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:38 pm Post subject:

Here is the drawing.
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derekwrobel

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:39 pm Post subject:

Ah ok, thanks, I should have known based on the last name. My tree only shows mother/father one side at a time! And I'm glad you found that since Ancestry was thinking Jan's great grandfather/mother were different names on his mother side:

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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:46 pm Post subject:

Ah, I misunderstood, thanks for that, that really helped clarify and fill in further my tree here! Thank you so much!

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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:59 am Post subject:

Hello again, back here to see if there are any who may speak/read/undesrstand Polish. I got connected with the Tarnow office to be able to request the Death and Marriage (second marriage of Joannes Wrobel - My great grandfather) copies and will be mailing that out today.

However, for his birth certificate, they told me I have to request it from USC in Ryglice. I emailed them multiple times but never got any response. I searched their page myself and there is 1 form to download regarding birth certificates. It is stated as:
Wniosek o transkrypcje aktu urodzenia
Which Google Translate says means:
Birth Certificate Transcription Request.pdf

Download link: https://bip.malopolska.pl/api/files/2585391
However, if you download this, the form states at the top:
W N I O S E K
o sporządzenie w polskim rejestrze stanu cywilnego
zagranicznego aktu urodzenia (transkrypcja aktu urodzenia)

Which when I translate means:
APPLICATION
for the preparation of a foreign birth certificate (transcription of a birth certificate) in the Polish civil registry

So this seems to be a form to register a foreign birth certificate with the Polish civil registry (the other way around). So I don't think this is the right form. Any input from anyone? And if so, anyone know how I can find the form to request the birth certificate for someone in Ryglice?

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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 11:01 am Post subject:

derekwrobel wrote:

Hi,
Exactly what you say. This document applies to someone who was born outside of Poland.

Here is all the information on how you can get a document from the Polish USC.

https://www.gov.pl/web/gov/uzyskaj-odpis-aktu-stanu-cywilnego-urodzenia-malzenstwa-zgonu

Everything written in Polish, but can be easily translated using Google.

If I understand it correctly, it is not possible to get it on-line for people who do not have a so-called E-ID (electronic) card that confirms your identity.

It seems that already registered document can be obtained/ordered at any USC in Poland. For example, if you were born in Warsaw, and your birth was registered in Warsaw, you can later collect the document in any city in Poland. But you must remember that in USC the documents are around 80-100 years old. Later the book is sent to the State Archives.

I don't live in Poland, but can call USC and ask how this can be done. Unfortunately I have no possibility to do it tomorrow.

-Barb

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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:13 pm Post subject:

Thank you for the reply!

Yes, I also noticed there is no way for me to get it online. I have been corresponding to the USC in Tarnow for a few weeks now and they said they have the Death certificate and Marriage certificate for my Great Grandfather, Joannes Wrobel. So they sent me a form to mail to them along with SWIFT account to send the payment for PLN33 for full copy.

However, they do not have the birth certificate and told me I have to contact the USC in Ryglice.

So this is interesting that this URL you sent states you can write to any registry office. That helps since I haven't been able to get any responses from that office.

If you don't mind calling that would be amazing and there is no rush so I completely understand if you cannot do it in the next few days. Thank you so much for the help!

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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:44 pm Post subject:

Hello again,
It is no difficult matter for USC Tarnow. You need the wedding record from 1958, and the death record from 1983.
Jans was born on 26.01.1987 in Ryglice, so this book has probably already been sent to the State Archives. If USC Ryglice has made the registrations digital, it can be on the hard drive in Ryglice.

I have sent you act number on the two documents. It takes two seconds to find these in the register.
Jan married on 12.07.1958 in Tarnow - USC Tarnow act no. 289/58
Jan died on 22.06.1983 in Tarnow - USC Tarnow act no. 334/83

Do you need his birth certificate too? I have sent this one to you, and USC Tarnow does not need this one to put out the other two. So I don't understand why they told you to contact USC Ryglice.

-Barb

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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:05 pm Post subject:

Sorry, maybe I didn't explain right. Yes, I am already in touch with USC Tarnow and they are getting me the marriage and death certificate, thanks to the act no. that you gave me previously. Thank you for that!

You are correct that I also need to get his birth certificate. I didn't see that you sent this, which post contained this? I can't seem to find it. USC Tarnow told me I need to get his birth certificate from USC Ryglice.

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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:47 pm Post subject:

Jan Wrobel:
Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2024 2:03 pm
Do you need more than this? I will call USC Ryglice on Friday.

-Barb

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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:55 pm Post subject:

Thanks, yes, I do remember that message and that is the baptism record, which is also great to have as that helped me know the exact date he was born (since apparently he had different dates listed in some documents).

But I need the actual birth certificate which is why I was trying to request this from the USC in Ryglice. I emailed that office and then they responded and told me I need to request it from the Archives in Tarnów:
https://ank.gov.pl/o-archiwum/organizacja-jednostki/struktura-organizacyjna/archiwum-narodowe-w-krakowie-oddzial-w-tarnowie/

I emailed the email address listed in that page several times but never got a response. Do you know if this is indeed the place that I could get the birth certificate from? If so, if you're able to cal them and ask for any forms I need to get the birth certificate that would be amazing. The only 'birth certificate' form they have on their site is the one I posted which is for registering a foreign birth certificate in the civil registry...which as you pointed out is not what I need.

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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 4:27 pm Post subject:

As I wrote earlier today. When 80-100 years have passed, all documentation has been sent to the archives. Church books are sent to the Diocese or Archdiocese Archives. Civil documents (from USC) to the State Archives. I now sent an order to "Archiwum Narodowe w Krakowie Oddział w Tarnowie" and asked about the birth record of Jan. You have to expect that it will take time. I will call Ryglice USC on Friday to find out where the documents were sent.
-Barb

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