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derekwrobel

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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:19 pm Post subject:

Thank you so much Barb! You have been so amazing! I look forward to hearing some hopeful news.

BarbOslo
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 3:33 am Post subject:

Hi Derek,
I called USC Ryglice today. They informed me that the first separate sivil register started in Ryglice in 1946.
Previously, the priest was also a person who had the function of civil registrar. This means that the only document was a document prepared by a priest who performed two functions. Documents from Ryglice were sent to Tarnów (Archiwum Narodowe w Krakowie Oddział w Tarnowie). Since it was also a church register, a copy can also be found in the diocesan archive in Tarnów.
It appears that the birth record I sent you is the only one that exists. As I said, I sent an email to AP Tarnow on Thursday, but will probably get the same answer.

Regards,
-Barb

derekwrobel

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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:07 am Post subject:

Thank you so much for getting that confirmation! Do you by any chance know if there is some official copy of that baptism registry that needs to be obtained or simply providing a copy of this is sufficient? I assume to prove his birth, I need some official stamped version of that. I will do some research...

derekwrobel

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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 12:09 pm Post subject:

I finally did get a response from the National archives in Poland and confirmed everything you stated @BarbOslo.

For me to be able to request his birth certificate that is a certified copy, I have to appoint a proxy to do it since I do not live there. I am going to use a company in Poland that I have been in touch with that can do this for me. It seems I cannot do it otherwise on my own from the US. I'm slowly making progress though!

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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 1:06 pm Post subject:

I also received a reply today from the State Archives in Tarnow. And they confirmed that only this birth record exists.

-Barb

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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 2:45 pm Post subject:

Hello all, I'm hoping for some more help /advice here. In our search for all this information to try to prove our eligibility for polish citizenship, we hit a bit of a snag.

This is what we have been told so far:
To receive ID in Poland you needed to fill out a form. Those forms were kept in registry offices but beceuse of the old law they destroyed everything older than 1999. So this record will no longer exist.

Jan Wrobel was citizen of USA and have card of permanent residence card which was issued in Krakow.
We THINK he applied for Polish citizenship later though. But we cannot find any documentation.

We were also told:
We discussed with the archives and in past it worked this way that if someone wanted to be Polish citizen he just needed to contact the town hall and if someone applied they had a separate unit for this.

But in past those documents were treated as not important so often those documents were destroyed after they gave someone a decision. In Tarnów they destroyed personal files of all deceased people till 1998.

So the only document which they have about Jan Wrobel is his residency card and this document says that he was registered as citizen of USA.

This document works against him in terms of citizenship because it shows that Jan did not obtain polish citizenship.

Probably this document wasn't updated except new address. So I still believe that he received Polish citizenship but it looks that it will be impossible to prove it because documents were destroyed.

Any suggestions on how we may be able to find out if he received Polish citizenship at this point?[/u]

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