Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:39 am
Post subject: Censuses in Galicia
Hi, all
The site below linked mentions the following:
""This is a list of Polish Censuses. While accessing them would be of incredible help and value, they are not available online.
- (Austria) 1857 First general census of population in Galicia; then: in 1869, 1880, 1890, 1900 and 1910"
http://polishgeno.com/?page_id=10
Does anybody know which State Archive holds these Censuses?
Thanks,
Gilberto
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:06 am
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Hi Gilberto,
I was interested in finding more information on this as well after reading this article:
http://feefhs.org/links/galicia/1880-gal.html
Today I came across a post on an Ancestry message board:
I am inquiring about the current location of Galician census records. I read online that census' were taken in Galicia in the years 1857, 1869, 1880, 1890, 1900 and 1910. None have been microfilmed by the Latter-Day Saints as far as I can tell. I have written to several archives in Poland including those in Krakow, Tarnow and Rzeszow and they responded that they do not have them.
And this reply:
This is the information I was given by a knowledgeable Galician researcher: You have the right information as to what years the census was taken in Galicia. However, almost all of the original census forms with the raw data were destroyed. There are only isolated communities that have been preserved in various regional state archives in Poland and Ukraine. So there is not a lot of chance of finding anything for these records for any given community among the 6,300 communities that made up Galicia.
However, 3 Cadastral Surveys were conducted by the Austrian Monarchy over the period after 1772 to WWI.
1)The Fransciscan Survey (1819-1820),
2)the Stabile Cadastral Survey that was mostly done in Galicia during the 1840's and 50's,
3)the Josephinian Land Cadastral Survey (1786-1788). This survey does list the names and house numbers of each land owner in every village and town in
Galicia.
The Josephinian appears to have been filmed by the LDS
The Franscican records are located in the L'viv Central State Historical Archive along with the Joespehinian collection. Researchers on the ground can access these records.
The Stabile is much more detailed and complicated and can be located in any of many state archives in Poland and Ukraine depending on the community of interest.
I don't know how accurate any of the above is but thought you might find it of interest.
Joann
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:14 am
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Joann,
Thanks for sharing.
Gilberto
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:39 am
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Thanks Joann!
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:31 pm
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http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~autwgw/agsinfogi.htm | Quote: | Austrian Census Data
The Statistisches Zentralamt in Vienna has the RESULTS of the census (Volkszaehlung) in the Austria Empire (without Hungary) in 1869, 1880, 1890, 1900 and 1910. Here you can find e.g. statistical information about number of inhabitants and houses per village/town -- but NO NAMES of individuals.
The source documentation (the enumeration sheets) was largely destroyed in the Palace of Justice fire in 1927. Some documentation is still available at the Staatsarchiv in Vienna but most of it is badly damaged (by fire and water), is difficult to handle, nearly impossible to read and may not be photocopied.
However, there is some good news:
The FEEFHS - Federation of East European Family History Societies has published some interesting findings concerning the Austrian census in former Galicia:
◾http://feefhs.org/ah/gal/1880-gal.html
◾http://feefhs.org/ah/gal/update-1.html
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:34 pm
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| Henryk wrote: | The FEEFHS - Federation of East European Family History Societies has published some interesting findings concerning the Austrian census in former Galicia:
◾http://feefhs.org/ah/gal/1880-gal.html
◾http://feefhs.org/ah/gal/update-1.html |
Hi Henryk, the link changed and it should be like this http://feefhs.org/links/galicia/1880-gal.html
There is a possibility, that some remains of Austrian-Hungary censuses are stored in today Austria/Vienna Archives. I don't know if any researcher from Poland asked for it there.
Apart from censuses that Gilberto asked, there were two Cataster Censuses in Galicia. These are mentioned in this thread too. These are Josephian Cataster Census (before 1790) and Franciscian Cataster Census (before 1820). The censuses consists of a map of a village with boarders, houses and numbers of houses. Second part of the census is a list (operat) of citizens from the village with some personal info and the land info they owned (or only list of people having land) . To properly read census, it's best to match map with citizens list to get whole picture. Take for consideration, that the houses might have been renumbered in some time in the past, hard guess maybe between censuses dates, depending on village. So this data have to be processed and compared with other vital records. I believe, this information is for proffesional genealogists, or historicians interested in particular village.
It's not to easy obtain the records. The census records are available in Poland in Przemyśl National Archives (most of them), also in Kraków, Sanok and maybe others like in Rzeszów Archives or AGAD. The rest good portion is in Lviv National Archives: http://rmp.icm.edu.pl/?page=details&index=2406 and http://rmp.icm.edu.pl/?page=details&index=2426 . Maps or citizens list of villages may be stored in different archives, so to complete village census, it may require to get info from two or more places.
How to search? I believe, censuses should be found here http://www.archiwa.gov.pl/pl/bazy-danych.html , one can also send an email do archive directly or ask on appriopriate genealogy forum. This is my knowlege for the time being. I know there are people that have in possesion some catastral records from various villages from Galicia. Getting records from them would require nice ask, exchange with other useful records, or just make a payment; because getting records from Lviv archives is a cost too. Definitely, there are more catastral maps an censuses after 1820, in various villages occured on different times.
And good news at the end: http://www.archiwa.gov.pl/pl/component/content/article/63-aktualnosci/3935-digitalizacja-zbiorow-map-i-operatow-katastru-galicyjskiego-w-archiwum-pastwowym-w-przemylu.html and http://krakow.gazeta.pl/krakow/1,44425,15235108,_Kataster_galicyjski__w_wersji_cyfrowej___juz_pod.html#opinions Be prepared at the end of the 2014 year, many Galician maps and their operats (citizen lists) from Przemyśl Archives should be available digitally on szukajwarchiwach.pl !!
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