Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:09 am
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I have found some valuable information located in the LDS files for Poland, Roman Catholic Church Books 1600-1950. The file number is 1960043. I have been checking the LDS site since the beginning of the year and every time I search for it, I get a message that says that this file is not currently available for loan.
If anyone can help me locate this particular LDS file, I would be most appreciative. Thank you.
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Cheri Vanden BergPO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 10:12 am
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I might know why. I believe I have read that because of privacy laws, no Polish records less than 100 years old can be made available. I assume that these records were filmed before that became law. I don't know if someone at your local Family History Center would have an answer for you. This subject has been written about on the RootsWeb POLAND-ROOTS mailing list, and you would be able to search the archives for this subject. I think someone with a similiar question as yours was told that he would have to hire someone at the Family History Library to extract any information from it, and of course that information would have to be 100+ years old.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 10:23 am
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Thank you for your reply. I will check that out. The info I am seeking is from the 1880-1890's.
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brianminnie
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:54 pm
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Hi MaryLou,
As Cheri said, I think it is because the film contains some records that are less than 100 years old. The records you want may be older, but many films contain a mixture of old and new records, so the entire film gets restricted. I've been told that they are digitizing the films and then it will be possible to view the older records, but this may take 5+ years to complete.
To verify, you can contact the FamilySearch staff. Go to familysearch.org and click 'help' at top right. Then choose 'Contact FamilySearch' on the next page and either call or submit a web form. Mention the film number and ask why it is not available. I have done this and always get a response within a day or two at most. Unfortunately it's almost always the same response (film not available due to privacy laws), but at least I know for sure.
Good luck!
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 3:01 pm
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Thank you. I have contacted FamilySearch and will wait for their response. If indeed the film is not available, what would my options be? How do you go about finding someone in Salt Lake City to look up the information for you?
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brianminnie
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:06 pm
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If the film is not available at all, I am not sure you have any options (at least not with the Family History Library). It may require searching for the original records in Poland.
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Cheri Vanden BergPO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:30 am
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The following are excerpts from the Poland-Roots mailing list that I mentioned. The first paragraph is the question. The next four are answers from different people, and the last paragraph was written by the gentleman who asked the question. You can read the whole thread here:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/POLAND-ROOTS/2012-03/1331258322
I recently ran into an issue when I tried to order the film containing the birth/baptismal records. I was told that it is unable to be ordered because of the privacy laws in
Poland. Although it goes back to the 1700's, it apparently contains newer
entries that are not 100 years old. I contacted the family search people and was
told that "the film has not been sent back to the vault" yet and that I had
three options: 1) fly to Salt Lake and view the film myself (I live in MA) 2)
order photocopies of the the document for $2 per page (no more than 10 pages).
3) Hire a private researcher.
Assuming #1 is out since I have two small children and work full time, has
anyone done either of the second two? I'm curious about ordering photocopies
since I don't know specifically what pages I'm looking for. Do they search the
document for you? Has anyone ever hired someone out there to do this type of
work? Why is it viewable in full in Salt Lake, but not able to be ordered?
I don't think they do any searching. You have to provide the item# and
page#. A 4th choice would be to wait for the film to be digitized and placed
online. This assumes that they will be able to put the portions of the
film online that aren't affected by the privacy laws.
I had the same situation of wanting to see a book that FHL would not send to my local FHC. My FHC librarian suggested ordering a copy of the index pages. From them, you may be able to select the text pages of interest to you.
If there are index pages for the film, they will copy the index pages,
and then you can make a separate requrest for the specific entries you
find in the index, using the reference or certificate or page or akt
numbers from the index. If you ask for something they cannot do, they
will send you a credit slip.
If you want to write [email protected], they can answer
questions about whether there is an index for the film.
It does not work to walk into a FHL and ask about their photocopy
service, the FHL staff generally do not know much (if anything) about
the Salt Lake City photocopy service.
I have a page specifically about how to order LDS photocopies, geared
to beginners. If you are experienced, you can use the menu to skip to
steps of interest.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thecohens/ldsphotocopies.html
Thanks so much for your suggestions and feedback. I have a couple of paths that I'm following at this point. In case anyone else runs into this problem, I have been going back and forth with the people in Salt Lake and have learned a few things:
1.) When a film becomes almost 100% restricted due to privacy laws being passed, it takes them some time to gather the films and put them back "in the vault". Therefore, even though this film has become restricted it is still accessible in Salt Lake for a short time.
2.) As they digitize items, those that are not restricted become publicly accessible. However, there is no guarantee on a time frame. Right now, they estimate that everything should be digitized in 5-8 years.
3.) For films without an index, those who do the "photoduplication" will perform limited searches of the films if you provide them with enough information. If they find something they will charge you the per page fee ($2), but if they do not find anything, they will not charge you for the search.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:35 am
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Thank you Cheri. That was pretty detailed. I did in fact write to them and received the same information. Since the first option is out for me to fly to Salt Lake City, then the second or third option would be best. I am not quite sure about requesting photocopies, but I am going to try and figure it out. I have copies of five pages that list baptisms for my grandmother and her four sisters. I am assuming I can request specific pages since I have the film number which is the same for all 5. I have the volume beginning year and ending year, page number, entry number, film number, digital folder number, and image number. I am assuming with all that info that they should be able to find the page I am requesting. Hopefully, this will produce the results I want. I will let you all know if this is indeed successful. Appreciate all your help.
You're right about the privacy laws. I did receive an email from them about the privacy laws and the fact that this particular film starts 1600 and ends 1950, some of that information is obviously less than 100 years old.
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brianminnie
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:22 am
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I have encountered the same situation for one of the films I am interested in; it is restricted, but has not yet been returned to the vault so it may be viewed in SLC. I have opted for option 3 (hire a private researcher who is in the SLC area). This work is still in progress; if anyone is interested in the specifics feel free to send me a private message through this site.
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HenrykPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:02 pm
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There does appear to be a way to view a restricted film at the local FamilySearch Center. But it requires approval from the originating Archive. Presumably one must prove a family relationship with an individual(s) whose record(s) is on the restricted film.
https://familysearch.org/help/viewdocument?documentId=107862&sliceId=SAL_Public&userQuery=restricted+films
"If an archive gives permission for reading a restricted film,
This authorization has to be brought to the family history center.
A copy of the authorization has to be sent by e-mail to FamilySearch Support ([email protected]) including information about:
· Film numbers
· The family history center where the film will be shipped.
Note: Please use the field "Special Instructions" on the Shipment Summary Page, together with your order, for giving information that you have permission from the archive to use the restricted film and that you will send this permission by e-mail. Otherwise, your order might be cancelled."
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:40 am
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Hello,
Does anybody know if the APs and ADs in Poland have copies of the LDS microfilms concerning the books they hold?
Gilberto
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:56 pm
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Hi,
Does anybody know when LDS started microfiming records in Poland? I vaguely remember to have seen the year 1967 in one film, but would like to know if anything was microfilmed before World War II.
Gilberto
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ZenonPolishOrigins Team Leader
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:24 am
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| Gilberto wrote: | | Does anybody know if the APs and ADs in Poland have copies of the LDS microfilms concerning the books they hold? |
I don't think so because sometimes happens that when you want to use given microfilm they inform you that it was sent to an other branch of State Archives.
| Gilberto wrote: | | Does anybody know when LDS started microfiming records in Poland? I vaguely remember to have seen the year 1967 in one film, but would like to know if anything was microfilmed before World War II. |
I don't know the exact date but the oldest dates I have seen while using microfilms in the Polish State Archives were from 1960s. I have never heard about any microfilms from the time before WWII..
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dnowickiPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:16 pm
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Gilberto,
The LDS church site (Church News) at www.lds.org states that they first began microfilming genealogical records in 1938. Given the short time until the invasion of Poland on Sept. 1, 1939 it seems doubtful that they would have had the opportunity to microfilm any records in Poland prior to the war.
Dave
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