Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:09 pm
Post subject: Hit brick wall on my great grandfather
I would like some genealogy information on the following people:
My great grandmother Margaret, she was born March 10, 1897 in Poland, according to census records and her ssdi. Margaret died Jan 1974 in New Hyde Park, Nassau, New York, USA. Unfortunately I don't know her maiden name.
Margaret married two men with the same last name, one sometime before 1919, the other on February 28, 1927 in Nassau, New York. The italiangen site shows her last name on her marriage to Stanley as Maluchnik, however I don't know if that could be because she married Anthony before him.
The guy she married first was Anthony Maluchnik. He was born March 24, 1885 in Russia/Poland according to his draft registration here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KXT1-VN9
The 2nd guy Stanley Maluchnik was born October 25, 1892 in Russia/Poland and died January, 1983 in Westbury, Nassau, New York, USA according to ssdi here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JBTX-V2F and draft registration here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K62S-335
I'm not sure what Anthony and Stanley's relation was, I assume they were brothers but they could be cousins instead.
I don't know which of them fathered my grandfather either. My grandfather Stanley JR was born on January 5, 1927, which is a month before Margret married Stanley so I don't know if they married because Anthony died and Stanley wanted to take care of his brothers/cousins/whatever kids and thought marrying Margaret was the right thing to do, or if Margaret left Anthony for Stanley or what.
I have found Census data from 1920-1940 and it lists Anthony as the father of all the children in 1920 and 1925 census and in 1930 and 1940 census it lists Stanley as the father of all the children.
There is no one in my family who knows anything about Anthony, but I have not ever talked to any second cousins and Stanley obviously would've been just a baby or not born when he died/left and perhaps the siblings were told to keep quiet about him.
Any help at all or if anyone can find a marriage record of Anthony and Margaret (I'm unsure where and when they married, if it was in Nassau where they lived after leaving Poland, or Poland.) Or any record of Anthony or Stanleys birth to determine their exact kinship to each other as well as who their parents were, it would help as well. A death record for Anthony is something I'd like as well, but I believe he most likely died at war overseas and that there exists no such record, or that he and Margaret divorced, although in that case I would think some death record for a later time period would be turning up. I also can find no such place as Zemdru, Presnis, Russia which is listed as Stanleys birth place on his draft registration.
I've also tried to find Stanly's ellis island record, but I'm unable to determine which of 2 records is him. Here are the two I have found:
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAxMjEwMTIwMjY4Ijs=/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAwNjM1MTQwMjg2Ijs=/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==
I believe these two are Anthonys ellis island records (they might not be age is off by over 5 years):
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiNTAwMDAwMDI0OTk3Ijs=/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAxMDY0MDMwMzcxIjs=/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==
If it helps any, these are all the census's I have of the family:
1940: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KQY7-KJV
1930: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X781-GL8
1925: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KSHM-GLS (need to be subscriber of ancestry to view, I saw it back when I was and it reads like this):
North Hempstead, Nassau, New York
Central Ave
Malucohnick, Anthony, head, w, m, 37, Poland, A (Alien), Carpenter, W
Malucohnick, Margaret, wife, w, f, 31, Poland, A, housework, o.a.
Malucohnick, Leon, son, w, m, X, U.S., C (Citizen), 90 days (inmate of an institution)
Malucohnick, Margaret, daug, w, f, 6, U.S., C, school
Malucohnick, Ida, daug, w, f, 3, U.S., C
1920 census: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MJGJ-TT1
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:33 am
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Lyn,
Thanks to a Maryanna Maluchnik arrival I have found the place:
Zembrzus (now Zembrzus Wielki
110 osób
woj. mazowieckie
pow. przasnyski
gmina Czernice Borowe
Many BMD records indexed here:
http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?rid=3865&from_date=&to_date=&search_lastname=maluchnik&search_lastname2=&exac=1&rpp1=0&bdm=B&w=07mz&op=gt&lang=pol
As to Stanley's arrival I think it is the first listed. His place is listed as Krokowa, but the second page of the manifest he declared the nearest relative in the old county as his father M. or W. Maluchnik, in Krokowa, Plock. There is no Krokowa in Plock, but there is Krukowo, which is also located in powiat Przasnyski (though 41 km North of Zembrzus). This Stantley naturalized. See marks of manifest and read http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/occ/
He was born on Feb 2, 1893, according to http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0103d&sy=1893&kt=1&plik=007-010.jpg#zoom=2.25&x=2381&y=129
The second Stanley listed was from Wigun, Lithuania.
Gilberto
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SophiaPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:54 am
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Hi Lynn,
You have gathered quite a lot of documents on this family. Here is one additional avenue that you can research. The PGSA (Polish Genealogical Society of America) has several databases. I looked at the Haller's Army index and found Stanley Maluchnik, of Monessen, PA in it: http://www.pgsa.org/database/Haller_results.php and that seems to correspond to the town in which your Stanley lived when he filled out his WWI draft registration. Perhaps you can obtain more info on him by getting copies of his forms from PGSA - - they have both a Form A and a Form C for him.
Best of luck in your search,
Sophia
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:58 am
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Thank you both. I will search both sites more and see what I can find, so far no luck yet on finding any additional stuff on my own, but their are still a few more databases to search.
Sophia, all those databases seem really useful, not sure I will go that route of ordering as I will need to research more and see what info those records provide (would be a waste of money if it's only info I already know), but either way it's a lot of indexes to search.
Magroski, thank you so much for that record! However I can't read polish and that's a lot to type over into google translate, are you sure that's him? I don't understand why he would give the wrong birthdate on his draft registration if so and why his ssdi would have it as well. I'm pretty sure both those records are my Stanley because the SSDI one lists place of death as a place where I know for a fact he lived. I've seen birth dates be wrong but never that much, month, date and even year are all off. What reason would there have been for him to lie?
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:01 am
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Lyn,
That birth record is written in Russian and can be translated if you post it in Russian Records Translations topic in this forum. I am not a russian reader but I see his father was Wojciech Maluchnik and his mother was Anna Kacprzycki.
I don't know if he is "your" Stanley, though he definitely seems to be the Stanley you found arriving at Ellis Island, due to to the following matches: exact age (17), name of his father (W = Wojciech), place of birth (Krukowo), name of a brother (Wojciech and Anna had many children: one of them was Walenty, which would be that "W" brother Stanislaw was going to meet at 784 Haller St. Bridgeport.
By the way, have you already ordered FOIA his SS-5 Form application? It should contain his parents' names.
The full discrepancy on the dates suggests he is not your relative, unless he lied. Why? I have no idea.
As to second Stanley, I made a mistake: he was not from Wigun (I read the wrong line). Actually he was from "Grondy", which I think it is Grądy (sounds Grondy), because the manifest says his father lived in Grondy, Lomza. See:
Grądy
woj. podlaskie
pow. łomżyński
gmina Nowogród
As to Antoni, whose place was listed as Rudno Gmietze, I found it is Rudno Kmiece, also in przasnyski powiat.
His birth record here: 1870, in russian, son of Jan and Katarzyna Olszewska
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0130d&sy=1870&kt=1&plik=075-078.jpg#zoom=1.75&x=2159&y=104
I don'think it is your Antoni (1885)
Have you checked other ports of entry, such as Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore?
Gilberto
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:45 am
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Thank you for the reply again. Looks like that isn't my Stanley. How odd seeing as both Stanleys lived in Pennsylvania for a time and Maluchnik isn't that common of a surname, at least according to census data.
I have not ordered his form applications yet. I didn't know until you mentioned it now whether or not that would contain helpful information. I will do that soon. May wait until I get my ancestrydna results back and go ahead if those don't break any new leads(the dna results give cousin matches as well to find distant or closer relatives).
Yes and No on checking other arrival ports. Back when I had my ancestry membership I checked them for Stanley. Anthony I don't believe I checked as I didn't know of him until more recently. I don't suppose there's an easy way to search those databases that doesn't involve resubscribing?
This is one I copied to a scrap file ages ago as being a possibility, I have no way to show the orginal manifest or anything though unless I resub so not sure how much it helps, I also can't remember where he was going to or why I thought it might be him:
Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1948 about Stanislaw Maluchnik
Name: Stanislaw Maluchnik
Arrival Date: 15 Mar 1910
Age: 18 Years
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Polish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Merion
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Friend's Name: August Maluchnik (looks like might say brother)
Last Residence: Russia
Birthplace: Temsaste, Russia
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_73
Woah wait a minute. I just looked up August Maluchnik and found this: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K62S-33P This August must be a brother to my Stanley and this must be the correct arrival record.
Even found an obit for him just by googling him.... http://newspaperarchive.com/us/pennsylvania/monessen/monessen-daily-independent/1948/10-18/page-2
Unfortunately no mention of parents names, but it does confirm Stanley as his brother. Now the real mystery is Anthony. Whether he wasn't mentioned in the obit because he died before August, or if this means they weren't brothers. Since I don't see any dead relatives mentioned I will assume it doesn't rule out Anthony having been their brother as well. Wish I had looked into him years ago, instead of being stuck on thinking the ellis island records were my Stanley..
Searched August some more but only additional thing I could find was 1920 census. Census says his immigration year is 1901. Look's like he probably used a non ellis island port too. Haven't been able to turn up anything on the sister Mary married name sokolsks either. Either way it's nice to have a couple more names to add to my tree and search to find new answers. If either of you have any more information I'd love to hear it. Thank you again for all the help you've already given. Doubt I'd have rechecked my scrap data anytime soon if you hadn't and you definitely ruled out some leads.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:15 am
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Lyn,
August's sister Mary is that one I mentioned in an earlier post. She was from Zembrzus, too, and declared she was going to meet his brother August in Monessen. I believe "Temsaste" is a misspelling for Zembrzus. There were two Zembrzus, at that time both in przasnyski powiat, but now one of them (just across the province border) is part of the warminsko-mazurkie province. The parish was Janowo and records must be in AP Olsztyn (some records available on line, but not for Janowo yet).
Westmoreland county has a page devoted to e-services:
https://portal2.recordfusion.com/countyweb/login.do?countyname=WestmorelandWills
where I found Mary's marriage:
Book: 0039
Page: 036255
License Number: 036255
Date Issued:: 02/03/1914
Date of Marriage: 02/09/1914
Sokoloski, Boleslaw
Maluchnik, Mary
It must contain her parents' names.
Gilberto
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:53 am
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Thank you. I found Mary's marriage record at https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF3F-ZYD unfortunately no space for parents name's anywhere. Seem's I just get so unlucky with researching them, everytime a new record is found it still doesn't have the info I need.
Someone told me ancestry would have more years of PA death certificates online in the next month so I'm not sure whether I should wait for that and get August's death record or not before paying for other records. I already got a membership just a while ago in hopes of finding something new from the ship arrivals. Did find Stanley's, Mary's and August's fathers name was Anthony. It was on a passenger manifest of Maryanna's where she was going to meet brother August that she left behind father Anthony.
However not sure how to to find out Margaret's maiden name still nor Stanley's mothers name. I think best course of action to get the most info seems to be to order their marriage certificate but it claimed on Nassau's website that it could take up to 8 months. Another thing there is another Maryanna Maluchnik born same year but with a father Stanley Maluchnik. I wonder if I need to research that family more, if perhaps they could be cousins. It really is confusing because Maluchnik isn't a common name far as I know and doesn't seem to be too many in census either, yet there were at least 3 different Stanley Maluchnik's or simular age heading to PA as well.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:09 am
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Lyn,
When I found a Magrowski marriage in that Westmoreland e-services I ordered a copy of the record. I don't remember if it was to the Register of Wills or Clerk Office. Also, from what I remember there is a difference between a marriage license and a marriage certificate. The documente I obtained was from 1917 and yours is from 1914. I can't tell you if things changed between those years, but the document I have mentioned both bride and groom's parents names.
Gilberto
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:39 am
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Thanks, that's good to know. Wish that was the version familysearch had.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:05 pm
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Lyn,
A gentle soul sent us that Philadelphia arrival record. It is your Stanley, since he was going to meet his brother August, in Monessen. Now, the surprise is that he declares his father as Antoni!
Would Margareth have married father & son? I cannot read his place of origin, thoug it appears 3 times.
The figures indicate he naturalized in 1933.
Elzbieta,
What do you read in the line #3 below "father Antoni Maluschnyk"?
............... and then Gub(ernia).........
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Elzbieta PorteneuvePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:25 pm
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Elzbieta,
What do you read in the line #3 below "father Antoni Maluschnyk"?
............... and then Gub(ernia).........
Gilberto |
Gilberto,
The only word I can decipher is Gub(ernia) Płock.
Is the first letter (column city), P?
Sorry, not much help from me.
Best,
Elzbieta
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:54 pm
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| Elzbieta Porteneuve wrote: | | Magroski49 wrote: |
Elzbieta,
What do you read in the line #3 below "father Antoni Maluschnyk"?
............... and then Gub(ernia).........
Gilberto |
Gilberto,
The only word I can decipher is Gub(ernia) Płock.
Is the first letter (column city), P?
Sorry, not much help from me.
Best,
Elzbieta |
I think it is S, comparing to P in line 16.
My first guess it was gubernia Pinsk, but that doesn't make sense if his sister was from Zembrzus, Plock.
Gilberto
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:49 pm
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Thank you both. And thank you to whomever found that manifest.
Are gubernia pinsk and zembrzus plok near each other? Cannot get them to come up in google maps.
I think Anthony who Stanley's leaving behind in poland is a different Anthony. The Anthony Margeret married was only 7 years older then Stanley. I think the fact that Stanley's fathers name is Antoni/Anthony is evidence that the other Anthony was his brother. Though I've not been able to prove any relation other then that they married the same women.
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