Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:27 pm
Post subject: Szczepan Nowakowski / Franciszak Markuszewski - Birth Locs
Hello All:
New poster here.
I've exhausted my capabilities at familysearch, ancestry et. al. Perhaps I can find some new luck here.
I'm at a brick wall at my great-great grandparents.
Their names were: Szczepan Nowakowski and Franciszka Markuszewska
Stephen was born 27 Dec 1876.
Frances was born in 1879.
They lived from 1910 on in Wheeling, WV. I'm not sure where they lived between immigrating and 1910; if anywhere else at all.
They only had 1 daughter while living in poland - Helena.
I'm hoping to have a professional polish researcher pull birth, marriage, etc records for me - if I could find the local parish for their home town.
Unfortunately, I've been unable to decipher what their hometown is.
I'll post links to the passenger list for each of them. As well as attach screen-shots.
The earlier American records list their birth country as "Russ.Polish." Later on, it was just Poland. (I'm not a total newbie - I know generally of Poland's history and division. Just posting the above for clarity.)
Frances arrived sometime AFTER Stephen on 22 May 1909 with her daughter Helena.
interactive.ancestry.com/7488/NYT715_1271-0732/4033158122
(line 1
libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAxNjAyMDkwMzc4Ijs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7
(line 18 on image 152, 151)
The things I need help reading:
1. It looks like her last residence was "Likori" Russia.
2. The relative listed is her mother-in-law - but I cannot decipher the name. I'd guess Daria/Deria Nowakowska. It would be amazing to know, as this is Stephen's mom and I do not have any information on her.
3. For Frances' birthplace on the second page, it looks perhaps like "Brala" or "Brila" Russia.
Stephen:
I'm actually unsure as to the passenger list for Stephen.
The census' have different dates for his arrival.
In the 1910 census, it was listed as 1902. (Seems weird he would be here 7 years before Frances came?)
1920 cenus - immigration year looks like it says 'un'
1930 census - immigration year 1892 which looks very wrong.
1 possibility 1903 (a year off). Age would be ~2 years off. And the destination is listed as Cleveland, Oh. Which is a few hours away from his home in Wheeling, WV
libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAyNjQ5MDYwNzk2Ijs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7
2nd one - I don't think this is a possibility. Destination of PIttsburgh PA is promising, but I remember from my research another Szczepan Nowakowski who lived his life in Pittsburgh. Plus the age is 8+ years off.
libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAyNjQyMDIwMzQwIjs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7
3rd Is pretty much spot on for his age - and close to the 1902 date first listed (1905). But I do NOT recognize the destination location. I wish it had more information (name of last relative, etc.)
libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTA0MTE0MDQxMDUwIjs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7
Sorry for the overload of information.
Any help at all is appreciated..
I'm not expecting help locating Stephen's passenger list -- but it would definitely be a help if someone can read frances' entry and answer questions 1,2 and 3 above.
THANK YOU for any help!
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:51 pm
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Oncemore~ I looked at the Ancestry image for Franciszka and I would say the spelling for the town is Sikori. If you look at the first names of the men on lines 3, 4, 13 & 15, they are all Stanislaw and the first letter is written the same for her town & their names. Also on p. 2 of the manifest for her husband Szczepan. Only problem is Sikori doesn't seem to be the name of a town in Poland or current day Russia (although Googling it does turn up one person, Jozef Ludwikowski, immigrating from the there in 1908 – so someone indexed it as Sikori).
It seems that Daria is a possible Polish female name, so that probably is Franciszka's mother-in-law's name. Image attached for others to view.
You are correct the country of birth is Russia. My initial thought on place of birth that you see is Biala, but then I thought it didn't correspond with Franciszka's line 18. The birthplace one above Biala is Ostrolenka (in Polish Ostrołęka) and the one 2 below Biala is also Ostrolenka (in Polish Ostrołęka). On page 1 of the manifest, if you look at where the line 17 person & the line 20 person were coming from, they were both from Ostrolenka. Therefore Franciszka was born in Biala and Helena was born in a town that may start with C and end with gnowo. Hard to decipher the letters in between. I've attached an image of the 4 birthplaces.
Hopefully others here more familiar with town names (Russian and Polish) can help you decipher. ~PL
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:05 pm
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Hmmm...that 1910 census says Helena is 13 (although on manifest it looks like she's 9). But the interesting thing is Stephen & Frances have been married 15 years (~1895) and the number of children born is 8, but only 1 in still living! If she had that many children, Stephen couldn't have come to US that much before her or he made lots of trips back & forth. I see they both are speaking English in 1910, but Helena, Stephen's 2 brothers-in-law and their 2 boarders speak Polish.
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:56 am
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| PolishLibrarian wrote: |
It seems that Daria is a possible Polish female name, so that probably is Franciszka's mother-in-law's name. Image attached for others to view.
~PL |
Oncemore, PL
http://polishorigins.com/forum/files/mothernowakowska_141.jpg
I think the given name is Maria, Maria Nowakowska. I see the first letter M, not D.
The place written Sikori could be Polish Sikory.
You have many villages Sikory-something situated circa 30 km West of Bialystok (half-way between Bialystok and Łomża), in other parts of Poland too.
Sikory is plural of sikora, a bird:
chickadee
titmouse
I have no idea (yet) for the third name on the list of places.
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After looking closer on pages 151-152 lines 18-19, Nowakowska Franciszka and child Helena
http://libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAxNjAyMDkwMzc4Ijs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7
and considering 3 villages, which shall be close:
1) Sikori or Sikory or Sikórz
2) Biala
3) X... ynowo, Murzynowo (I see the first letter M)
I found such "constellation" near Płock.
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Sikórz – wieś w Polsce położona w województwie mazowieckim, w powiecie płockim, w gminie Brudzeń Duży.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sik%C3%B3rz_%28wojew%C3%B3dztwo_mazowieckie%29
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Biała – wieś w Polsce położona w województwie mazowieckim, w powiecie płockim, siedziba gminy Stara Biała.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82a_%28wojew%C3%B3dztwo_mazowieckie%29
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Murzynowo – wieś w Polsce położona w województwie mazowieckim, w powiecie płockim, w gminie Brudzeń Duży
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murzynowo_%28wojew%C3%B3dztwo_mazowieckie%29
Best,
Elzbieta
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:04 am
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| Quote: | | PolishLibrarian - Only problem is Sikori doesn't seem to be the name of a town in Poland or current day Russia |
Thank for your responses!
Hmm.. Looking at Elzbieta's post, there is a Sikory.. 7 actually. But it definitely looks like a dotted i on the document.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikory
| Quote: | | PolishLibrarian - It seems that Daria is a possible Polish female name, so that probably is Franciszka's mother-in-law's name. |
It was my first and best guess. However the 'r' in Daria seems to dip lower than the r in mother. It is hard to recognize names I KNOW in these documents, yet alone mystery names haha.
| Quote: | | PolishLibrarian - Therefore Franciszka was born in Biala and Helena was born in a town that may start with C and end with gnowo. |
Thank you for confirming Biala. It seems like there is one town and several villages with that name. Is there any other way I could pinpoint which one is correct?
| Quote: | | PolishLibrarian - Hmmm...that 1910 census says Helena is 13 (although on manifest it looks like she's 9). But the interesting thing is Stephen & Frances have been married 15 years (~1895) and the number of children born is 8, but only 1 in still living! |
I try not to get too bogged down/upset in the dates - because they differ all over the place. Even on documents where the information was provided by the person themself!!
For Helen, I have 3 censi on her.
1910 - http://bit.ly/1LcBKBr - puts her age at about 1897
I'm missing 1920. She would of been living somewhere in Wheeling with her Husband surname Jasinski.
1930 - http://bit.ly/1AEUk3I - puts her age at about 1899
1940 - http://bit.ly/1yWQID5 - puts her age at about 1898
SSDI lists her birthdate as 1898. So I'd have to think the manifest was the odd date out?
I saw the 8 previously, and was stunned about the number of children born! Enough that I thought it had to be a mistake.
With Frances being born in 1879.. Even with child rearing age of 16 she would of had to have 1 a year to get 8 children before a 1902/3 immigration for Stephen.
Perhaps they were infant deaths? Family oral history has her having 4 kids. All born in the US except Helen. She also had 2 boys in the US who died as infants.
If you have ancestry access, here is her 'page' on my tree. I have little info on her. http://ancstry.me/1DqgyXz
| Quote: | | Elzbieta Porteneuve - I think the given name is Maria, Maria Nowakowska, and the place written Sikori could be Polish Sikory. |
Thank you for your input! I hadn't considered that the first letter could be an M. Now I'm stuck between Daria and Maria! And thank you for the update on Sikory. Any ideas on how I could know which of the villages was hers?
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:25 am
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I just edited my post and added a second hypothesis.
Elzbieta
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:55 am
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Oncemore, Elzbieta & PL,
I read the records the same way as Elzbieta---Maria as given name & locations as Biala & Sikory (Can't trust spellings of locations on manifests since they were entered as the person heard the word.). The cluster Elzbieta found is a possibility. Two things which make pinning down the location difficult are that there are some 29 villages named Sikory (or with Sikory as part of the name) and some 133 villages named Biala or with Biala as part of the name. Even after eliminating those which were in the German and Austrian Partitions there are still a number of possibilities which could make searching very time consuming. I have two possible research strategies which may help to narrow down the possibilities. If Szczepan was naturalized his naturalization papers could provide better information about where he was from and when he arrived in America. The second approach would be to obtain Helen's marriage record. If she was married in a Catholic parish, the place of her baptism should have been entered in the church marriage register.
Best of luck in your search.
Dave
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:32 am
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| dnowicki wrote: |
If Szczepan was naturalized his naturalization papers could provide better information about where he was from and when he arrived in America. The second approach would be to obtain Helen's marriage record. If she was married in a Catholic parish, the place of her baptism should have been entered in the church marriage register. |
Hello Dave:
Thank you for your input!
I was unable to find any naturalization record for Szczepan on ancestry. I have a request in with the Department of Homeland Security - U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Apparently they have a more comprehensive index. From their website:
| Quote: | | The USCIS Genealogy Program uses indices unlike any immigration or naturalization index available to the public. Our unique Master Index system is a combination of index tools—partially automated and partially manual—that work together to identify and locate old agency files and records. |
Re: the wedding record. It is a point of despair. The church that had formed for many polish immigrants in Wheeling eventually shut down. Their records are at the dioceses, but I've had trouble getting searches thus far. I've just emailed this specific request to the administrator, so perhaps this will be the lucky time.
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:20 pm
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Hi Elzbieta and Oncemore,
Franciszka Markuszewska had a brother Konstanty who immigrated to the U.S. via the Port of Philadelphia on April 23, 1911. Attached is a copy of his manifest. According to the manifest, he was from SIKORZ Plock.
Best regards,
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:33 pm
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| nfstev wrote: | Hi Elzbieta and Oncemore,
Franciszka Markuszewska had a brother Konstanty who immigrated to the U.S. via the Port of Philadelphia on April 23, 1911. Attached is a copy of his manifest. According to the manifest, he was from SIKORZ Plock.
Best regards,
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Hi Norbert and thank you!
I am happy that my guess get confirmed.
Sikórz
Biała
Murzynowo
It would help now to find them in SIKORZ Plock records.
Best,
Elzbieta
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:24 pm
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Oncemore,
Here are the names and arrival records for other Nowakowski/Markuszwski family members:
Barbara Markuszewska (wife to Konstanty) arrived at Ellis Island on September 9 1912 on board the S.S. Rotterdam lsited Plock, Russia as last residence.
Marceli Warzycki (cousin of Franciszka Markuszewska) arrived at Ellis Island on December 16, 1909 on board the S.S. President Grant listed last residence as Plock, Russia.
Norbert
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:18 pm
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For naturalization, I see that the 1930 census says Stephen has filed papers (the first step in the nat. process), but the 1940 census says he is an Alien (so not naturalized). I also found a naturalization database for WV at FamilySearch, but searching Nowakowski turns up only one in 1926 – Ignac who was born in 1896 & came in 1913. Maybe Stephen never became a citizen. He doesn't how up on Ancestry in the SSDI index – I assume he couldn't apply for SS if he wasn't a citizen.
Ancestry has a Szczepan Nowakowski, age 29, married, indexed as being from Kochi, ethnicity Russian on a Hamburg passenger list on the S.S. Pennsylvania leaving Hamburg on May 19 or 20, 1905 and then on a passenger list arriving in NY on June 2, 1905 with country Russian from Kochi (image attached) and ethnicity Polish. He was going to a brother-in-law in Stamford CT – Adolf Prizich (image attached) – could be a sister's husband?? There's not a p. 2 on the manifest in 1905.
Ancestry shows a 1903 arrival from Hamburg on the SS Pennsylvania departing May 8 1903 and arriving NY May 21, 1903 has Szczepan Nowakowski, age 25, as Russian from a town the starts with Z and ends with wiec (image attached – is it close to Plock?). He was going to a brother-in-law in Cleveland Ohio. Maybe both are him and he did go back & forth, resulting in pregnancies.
Sorry the images posted out of order. ~PL
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:15 pm
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Thanks to all for the replies!!!
Let me try to work through them..
| Quote: | | nfstev - Franciszka Markuszewska had a brother Konstanty who immigrated to the U.S |
Hi Norbert!
Thank you for your detailed responses.
I did have the information on Konstanty -- but totally didn't dawn on me to check his birth town too! He is a very recent discovery for me - probably around a month - so I'm not used to thinking about Franciszka having a brother.
| Quote: | | elzbieta - am happy that my guess get confirmed. |
Yes - thank you for your help! Now I have a more solid footing to pursue further records.
It's funny though - when adding 'Sikorz' as a place in ancestry, it correctly finds Sikorz, Mazowieckie, Poland. When I try adding Biala, it does not make the connection and I have to manually input it.
| Quote: | | nfstev - Marceli Warzycki (cousin of Franciszka Markuszewska) |
This is part of a smaller unknown for me as well. The only records I can find for Marceli are his passenger lists, and when he lived with Frances in the 1910 census in wheeling, wv. Konstanty moved on to Michigan, and I have found 1 or 2 additional records for him, including his death record. Marceli is a cold trail for me. As well as his parents names. Frances' mother was MaryAnna Warzycka - so that's marceli's aunt. But I do not know his mother or father's name.
| Quote: | | polishlibrarian - Maybe Stephen never became a citizen. He doesn't how up on Ancestry in the SSDI index – I assume he couldn't apply for SS if he wasn't a citizen. |
I have previously requested a copy of his social security application form, but i received a response back that it did not exist. I've requested a search for records with the Immigration Services, but I'm assuming they'll come back as DNE as well. But at least I will 100% know.
| Quote: | polishlibrarian - Ancestry has a Szczepan Nowakowski, age 29, married, indexed as being from Kochi, ethnicity Russian on a Hamburg passenger list on the S.S. Pennsylvania leaving Hamburg on May 19 or 20, 1905 and then on a passenger list arriving in NY on June 2, 1905 with country Russian from Kochi (image attached) and ethnicity Polish. He was going to a brother-in-law in Stamford CT – Adolf Prizich (image attached) – could be a sister's husband?? There's not a p. 2 on the manifest in 1905.
Ancestry shows a 1903 arrival from Hamburg on the SS Pennsylvania departing May 8 1903 and arriving NY May 21, 1903 has Szczepan Nowakowski, age 25, as Russian from a town the starts with Z and ends with wiec (image attached – is it close to Plock?). He was going to a brother-in-law in Cleveland Ohio. Maybe both are him and he did go back & forth, resulting in pregnancies. |
Yes! These were the 1st and 3rd lists i referenced as possibilities in my original post. I'm very torn to fully believe either is his yet - need more data! I'm unaware of any potential siblings for him - but your comment re: a brother-in-law could be spot on. And it would explain the 'strange' destination.
The cleveland destination record is also plausible - due to the fact that cleveland is less than 3 hours from Wheeling, WV.
And it is closer to the '1902 year of arrival' listed in the 1910 census. This brother-in-law's name is clearly different from Adolf Prizich record.. Would require him to have 2 married sisters already in the US.. or they are 2 different Szczepans. Not enough information yet to pick one either way.
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:19 pm
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Here are snippets of their families, if it makes keeping people straight any easier!
It also seems like there should be more Markuszewski siblings - as Frances and Constantine are ~9 years apart.
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:32 pm
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| nfstev wrote: | Hi Elzbieta and Oncemore,
Franciszka Markuszewska had a brother Konstanty who immigrated to the U.S. via the Port of Philadelphia on April 23, 1911.
Norbert |
Also - I believe Konstanty had to of been in the US earlier. This must be a return trip. He is listed on the 1910 census as living with Frances and Stephen.
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