Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:01 am
Post subject: How they traveled from hometowns in Poland to German ports?
Does anyone know how our ancestors traveled from their hometowns in Poland, to German ports like Hamburg and Bremen? For those who emigrated around 1900? Was it by train? And which railroad companies and routes were the most popular?
And more specifically, how did emigrants from the Galicia region travel to those German ports?
Magroski49 PO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:08 pm
Post subject: Re: How they traveled from hometowns in Poland to German por
starshadow wrote:
Does anyone know how our ancestors traveled from their hometowns in Poland, to German ports like Hamburg and Bremen? For those who emigrated around 1900? Was it by train? And which railroad companies and routes were the most popular?
And more specifically, how did emigrants from the Galicia region travel to those German ports?
There was a good explanation about this in a website named Progenealogists. It has now become part of Ancestry group and the information is no longer free, to the best of my knowledge.
My ancestor came in 1890. Either they went by wagon or by horses or on foot till the nearest train station and from there to Bremenhaven by train. I have read that those who lived in Galicia departured from the Italian port in Trieste.
The link below shows the railroad ways in Poland, in a very detailed way. You have to install some files, at your risk.
http://woznyj.republika.pl/mapa.html
Gilberto
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:37 pm
Post subject: Re: How they traveled from hometowns in Poland to German por
starshadow wrote:
Does anyone know how our ancestors traveled from their hometowns in Poland, to German ports like Hamburg and Bremen? For those who emigrated around 1900? Was it by train? And which railroad companies and routes were the most popular?
And more specifically, how did emigrants from the Galicia region travel to those German ports?
Consolidating both, Prussia and Austria, that makes Hambourg or Bremen accessible.
My both grandfathers worked for Cesarsko-Królewskie Koleje Państwowe. Lwow-Przemysl-Krakow-Vienna.
All my childhood I have been told how important railways were.
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:14 am
Post subject: Re: no more free
Magroski49 wrote:
There was a good explanation about this in a website named Progenealogists. It has now become part of Ancestry group and the information is no longer free, to the best of my knowledge.
Gilberto
I hate to see such moves of groups taking away collective work, hiding pieces of history from everyone. Do not know how to fight with that, besides making a buzz and bad reputation. Is free Wikipedia our last ressort library?
Among all the mechanism of "emigration business" there are documented examples of the way peasants from rural, distant areas of Galicia had to cover to reach German ports. Unfortunately the book is available in its original German version ( ("Kaiser von Amerika. Die große Flucht aus Galizien") and in Polish.
For now, I think you may find interesting the video "Krakow - Hamburg - New York. Emigration from the Old Country to the New World.".
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:43 am
Post subject: Re: no more free
Elzbieta Porteneuve wrote:
Magroski49 wrote:
There was a good explanation about this in a website named Progenealogists. It has now become part of Ancestry group and the information is no longer free, to the best of my knowledge.
Gilberto
I hate to see such moves of groups taking away collective work, hiding pieces of history from everyone. Do not know how to fight with that, besides making a buzz and bad reputation. Is free Wikipedia our last ressort library?
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:01 pm
Post subject: Transportation to Liverpool from Poland abt. 1904
Hello,
Around 1904, how would my Grandfather (age 19) have gotten to Liverpool, England from Nowodgrod voivodeship area of Poland? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Bernice SAK O'Malley
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:34 am
Post subject: Re: Transportation to Liverpool from Poland abt. 1904
bernio wrote:
Hello,
Around 1904, how would my Grandfather (age 19) have gotten to Liverpool, England from Nowodgrod voivodeship area of Poland? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Bernice SAK O'Malley
Hi Bernice,
Passenger ship lines offered some options which immigrants could choose for passage to the USA and Canada among which was the choice of a direct or an indirect route from Europe to North America. In the direct route choice (which was the more frequently chosen option) the immigrant sailed on one ship from the port of embarkation to the port of arrival. If the ship stopped at additional ports to pick up additional passengers after leaving the port of embarkation, the immigrant remained on the ship while additional passengers boarded. In the indirect route choice the immigrant boarded a ship in continental Europe and later transferred to a different ship to complete the journey. The most frequently used port where the immigrant disembarked from the original ship was Hull, UK. The immigrant then traveled across England by train to a port like Liverpool, London, Southampton, etc. and boarded a second ship for the remainder of the journey. Liverpool was the most frequently used port of embarkation for the second leg of the journey. All this was true for ships departing from Hamburg as well as other continental ports of embarkation. Hamburg was the most frequently used port of embarkation for immigrants from the Prov. of Posen/Poznan, Galicia, and the Congress Kingdom of Poland (Krolestwo Polskie). In pre-WWI 20th Century the area of Nowogrod Wojewodztwo was not part of the Congress Kingdom and was fully and directly incorporated into the Russian Empire. The most commonly used port of embarkation from the Russian Empire was the port of Libau (Libaw from the days of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth), which is currently Liepaja, Latvia. From what I've seen, immigrants who left from Libau often used the indirect route option and changed ships in England (usually disembarking in Hull and continuing the journey from Liverpool. Given the area where your grandfather lived in Europe, the Libau to Hull to Liverpool to North America option would appear to be a distinct possibility. Of course, that route is not set in stone since he may have departed from any of the other ports of Europe---it just seems to be the more likely route.
Hope this info helps a bit.
Wishing you success in your research,
Dave
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I'm so glad someone asked this question, I was curious as well! As far as I can tell, my great-grandmother's family went from their village near Słupca (in the Kalisz province, and under Russian control), to Bremen or Rotterdam, and either landed in Baltimore, MD, or New York, NY, before traveling to where they eventually settled.
Thank you very much for your information. Every little bit of knowledge helps.
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