Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:37 am
Post subject: Finding Relatives. Oborski, Oborska, Burzynska, Kupajczyk
Seeking to contact relatives in Poland/Belarus
My father Mieczyslaw Tadeusz Oborski. Born 05/05/1918 in Moscow of Polish parents (Wladyslaw Oborski, Jadwiga Oborska, (maiden name Burszynska)).
His family lived in Lida before and after WW II. He had three sister, Valeria, Halina and Zofia.
Halina was married and had children, her surname is Kupajczyk.
I have little information on the family.
My dad attended school in Lida
Junior school 1926-1930
Senior school 1930-1936
He then studied Art in Biala Podlaski 1936-1939
I have copies of my dads polish army records and his home address prior to 1939 was ul Falkowskiego 19, Lida, Poland (now Belarus). ( I can't find any information on this address)
He took part in the 1939 Septemebr campaign with the 7th Armoured Battalion in Poland 01.09.1939 - 17.09.1939. He was taken prisoner by the Soviet Red Army and held in the Former Soviet Union (exact dates and places unknown but my dad had written down that he was in a Siberian prison camp 1939-1942).
On the basis of the Sikorski-Maisky (Polish-Soviet) agreement of 30 July 1941, release for the purposes of joining the Polish Armed Forces. Enlisted in the Polish Army on 25.08.1941 and was posted 6 Armoured Battery (re-named Armoured Corps Training Centre on 16.02.1942 and again re-named 1 Tank Battalion 0n 01.06.1942.
Togetehr with Polish Army units, crossed the Soviet-Iranian border was evacuated to Iran, came under British command 01.04.1942.Via iraq was transferred to Palestine, arrived on 10.05.1942 and was posted to the reserve of the Commander in Chief, Polaish Army Middle east.
Served in the Middle East and Italy 1942-1944
Injured and hospitalized 27.07.1943-10.12.1943 and again 04.03.1944-29.04.1944. Declared unfit for military service and transferred to UK 05.11.1944
Honourably discharged 21.08.1948.
Settled in Glasgow, Scotland
Passed away 01.09.1995. R.I.P
Any help would be much appreciated.
Ric
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:44 pm
Post subject: Relatives in Belarus
Hello, Ric,
I have not started research for my grandfather Josef Buczynski, from Lida, Radun. However, after reading your post, I am wondering if Burzynski and Buczynski may be the same name spelled different ways? I have come across the name Burzynski in some documents in the USA. Do you have an explanation for two similar names in the same area?
Thank you, Trishsa : )
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:16 pm
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Thank you very much Sirdan for your help. It is great information you have given me. I will go and do some more research on the links that you have sent me. I will post an update on what I find. In the meantime thanks again. It is very much appreciated. Regards
Ric
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Relatives in Belarus
| trishsa2 wrote: | Hello, Ric,
I have not started research for my grandfather Josef Buczynski, from Lida, Radun. However, after reading your post, I am wondering if Burzynski and Buczynski may be the same name spelled different ways? I have come across the name Burzynski in some documents in the USA. Do you have an explanation for two similar names in the same area?
Thank you, Trishsa : ) |
Hi Trisha
As far as I know the name Burzynski was under the Trzywdar Coat of Arms as were the following names.
Burzyński, Butyński, Bużyński, Bylica, Jedwabiński, Kitkiewicz, Komelski, Kotelski, Łomieński, Mocarski, Moczarski, Moczulski, Modzelewski, Poletyłło, Poletyło, Rakowski, Rogienicki, Rogiński, Schill, Szwander, Tychoniewicz, Wysieński, Wyszyński
Not sure about Buszynski, however I found this info.
This Polish and Jewish surname of BUCZYNSKI was a topographic name for someone who lived in a beech wood or by a beech tree. The name was derived from the Old Polish spelling BUK. The earliest Polish surnames were patronymic. The personal names from which they were derived were mainly Slavonic, but as the Middle Ages progressed, traditional Slavic given names, began to give way to saint's names, mainly of Latin origin. Surnames derived from Slavonic personal names are of early origin, and tend to be borne by aristocratic families. When traditional Jews were forced to take family names by the local bureaucracy, it was an obligation imposed from outside traditional society, and people often took the names playfully and let their imaginations run wild by choosing names which either corresponded to nothing real in their world. No one alive today can remember the times when Jews took or were given family names (for most Ashkenazim this was the end of the 18th century or the beginning of the 19th) although many remember names being changed after emigration to other countries, such as the United States and Israel in recent years. The name has many variant spellings including Buczek Buczak and Buczko. A notable member of the name was Charles Bukowski (1902-) he was a German born Amerian poet, short-story writer and novelist, born in Andernach. As befits an underground writer, his world is one frequented by low lifers which he evokes, as one critic said, in 'words nailed to the page'. His pared style, revealing an affinity with Hemingway, has been employed to effect in four novels, half a dozen collections of short stories and many volumes of verse. A cult figure who has not achieved popular success, he has a sardonic sense of humour and a liking for long titles, eg. Play the Piano Drunk Like a Percussion Instrument Until the Fingers Begin to Bleed a Bit (1979). It has long been a matter of doubt when the bearing of coats of arms first became hereditary and it was not until the Crusades that Heraldry came into general use. Men went into battle heavily armed and were difficult to recognise. It became the custom for them to adorn their helmets with distinctive crests, and to paint their shields with animals and the like. Coats of arms accompanied the development of surnames, becoming hereditary in the same way.
Hope this helps.
Ric
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:44 am
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@Ric and Trishsa2
According to moikrewni.pl site, there is no Burszynski family name in Poland... maybe this is bad spelled; it may occured only in Lida area but i doubt. Some research gives me a view that Burzyński surname has its origins in Lithuania (maybe Vilnius), while Buczyński (might be from Vilnius too) occured and still occurs in Lida.
According to this list http://genealodzy.pl/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-4401.phtml Burzyński and Buczyński has same coat of Arms: Strzemię. But i advice to find ancestors first before considering them nobles. There is also Buszyński Coat of arms Grzymała.
Trishsa2 what Buczyński you look for?
PS: Publication (1900) about noble families, Buczyński and Burzyński included http://ebuw.uw.edu.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=138&from=publication
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 5:18 pm
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Ric, thank you for so much information, I appreciate it!
Sirdan, thank you for your information also! Right now the only information I have for my grandfather, Josef Buczynski, is that he came from the area of Wilno, Lida, Radun. At first I thought it was Radom, but I now think Radun us correct. I have not done any research for his side of the family yet, and since that area is in Belarus, I am not sure how I will even begin that research.
Thanks again,
Trishsa : )
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 6:59 am
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Hi Sirdan. Many thanks for you help and information. I have found a second cousin, (my dads sisters grandson) in Poland and have been in contact with him but have not heard from him since his first and last email and I am kind of saddened by that. Don't know why he has not replied. I was quite excited about tracing my fathers routes but he does not seem to share my feelings. Very strange?
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 7:03 am
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Hi Trisha
I know the feeling with the Belarus Scenario. I have sent an email to the Lida historic society as suggested by Sirdan [email protected] but no reply as yet. Good luck with your research If I get any more information I will of course post it on here. Cheers. Ric
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 11:36 am
Post subject: Jazzsaxman - Reply OBORSKI
Hello Jazzsaxman,
I don't know if you will read this message but, my grandmother is Jadwiga Oborski (Oborska). Sounds like our relatives lived in the same place in Poland. My Oborski family lived in Poland but after the war the area is now Latvia. If you want more information I can give you it, my grandmother remembers all of her family with the last name Oborski. She and her family left Poland during World War 2 and lived in Siberia, Africa, Afghanistan instead of being instructed to go to the concentration camps. Later they immigrated to England, were a lot of Oborski family is, and then settled in Canada around 1958. There are a lot of notable people of the Oborski blood line as well including one Bishop of Krakow.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:01 pm
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Hello Karolina
Thank you for your very interesting post. I am of course intrigued and would be very interested to learn if we are related. I have hit a dead end at the moment as far as getting information from Lida.
Ric.
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