Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:43 am
Post subject: Birth Record Or Any Proof Of Life for Great-Grandfather
I was able to get quite a bit of documentation sent over to me by an agency that is helping me with Polish Citizenship, but there is a brick wall we have hit in terms of finding anything in the State Archives for my great-grandfather despite finding birth records, marriage records, death records, etc for his parents and siblings. My great-grandfather seems to be a "ghost" for lack of a better term.
Name: Mendel Altholz
DOB: 1902 or 1903 (I've seen November 15th 1903 and December 15th 1903 listed on different U.S. Paperwork)
Town: Chlebna, Poland
Parents: Mechel Altholz and Hena Fischler
Siblings: Ella, Chana, Moses, Sara, Rachel, Lea
In my various attempts to get more info, someone did share this with me https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/zespol?p_p_id=Zespol&_Zespol_javax.portlet.action=zmienWidok&_Zespol_nameofjsp=pradziad&_Zespol_id_zespolu=90008595&_Zespol_rowId=9000042479&_Zespol_cur=1 which seems to indicate 1902 and 1903 are missing which is likely due to them being destroyed.
I am wondering if there is anything I could dig up outside of a birth record to prove he was actually in Poland and therefore was a Polish Citizen since he did not naturalize in the U.S. until 1934.
Any help is greatly appreciated!
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Zimorodek
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 11:43 am
Post subject: Maybe this will help
Maybe the attached file will help a little.
Here is the original link: https://polska1926.pl/podpisy/1050146
Your great-grandfather's signature is on the bottom right. If you need more help just let me know.
This page is from Elementary School located in Dukla (located circa 25km from Chlebna).
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SophiaPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:51 am
Post subject: Re: Maybe this will help
| Zimorodek wrote: | Maybe the attached file will help a little.
Here is the original link: https://polska1926.pl/podpisy/1050146
Your great-grandfather's signature is on the bottom right. If you need more help just let me know.
This page is from Elementary School located in Dukla (located circa 25km from Chlebna). |
Hi Zimorodek and MSBGENE73,
These pages of old signatures are beautiful, aren't they? Almost 100 years old.
The page for Mendel Altholz is the most important one for you, but just because you may find it interesting, here is a link to the page for Rozalia Altholz. She is in the group Klasa III, at the end of line 4. You will see her signature says Altholzówna, which is following old rules of names, but she is correctly indexed as Altholz. I wonder if she is the sibling you have listed by the name of Lea.
https://polska1926.pl/podpisy/1050373
On the same page as Mendel, and five names above his, there is a Rafael Fischler, who may or may not be related to Mendel through his mother whose maiden name was Fischler.
Good luck in your search,
Sophia
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J-Gen-Expert
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:33 pm
Post subject: Relevant Krosno Jewish Vital Records (indirect proof)
I found several Krosno records of interest to your endeavor.
People were free to officially record the birth / marriage / death in any town, not necessarily their place of residence. The records identify the place of residence in terms of the town / village name as well as the Cadastral house number. Also, the birth records usually include the maternal grandparents' names / occupation and where they reside as whether or not they are still living!
Although it's possible to download these digitized images directly from the PSA, it may be necessary for you to hire a private researcher in Poland or perhaps order them directly from the PSA (Polish State Archives), such that they will be authenticated / certified as true copies.
You can also view the images indirectly via JRI-Poland.
1. Mendel's parents (Mechel Altholz & Hena Fischler) officially registered their marriage in Krosno, Poland. The marriage date was noted as 2/23/1904 as per Krosno 1904 Akt # 4. At this time there is no link to a digitized record. The record itself would include the actual place of marriage including the date, as well as remarks as to when and where as well the notarized documention dates, town(s) where issued as well as their unique registration numbers. The couple had to present notarized copies of their own birth records, therefore the marriage record will also include references to those documents.
2. Lea's birth record Lea Fischler / Altholz [Krosno B 1900 # 36]
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/22559320?p_p_id=Jednostka&_Jednostka_delta=1&_Jednostka_cur=132
Note: Her parents weren't considered legally married until 1904, so her birth record SHOULD HAVE BEEN recorded under the mother's maiden name Fischler. The birth record normally gets amended subsequently with notations indicating the place, date and reference #s, as well as formally changing her legal surname from the mother's surname to the father's surname once the parents become LEGALLY married and show acceptable proof of marriage. Based on what I see, the birth record was NOT amended. Moreover the father's name was omitted. Moreover, the registrar indicated "nieslubne" (not legally married), but nonetheless recorded the mother's name as Hena Altholz instead of Hena Fischler (Hena's legal name!). Lea's legal name will still (technically) Fischler.
3. Chana Reisel Altholz's birth record Krosno B 1907 # 79
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/22559320?p_p_id=Jednostka&_Jednostka_delta=1&_Jednostka_cur=25
Ella Altholz's Krosno birth record got mis-indexed by JRI-Poland as "Etla Altholz". Here is a link to the digiitized image.
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/22559320?p_p_id=Jednostka&_Jednostka_delta=1&_Jednostka_cur=64
Mendel's birth record was NOT indexed by JRI-Poland, because the 1902 & 1903 Jewish birth records were lost or unavailable. I thought that I had a COMPLETE set of scanned images for 1900 - 1907 but I now know that the 1902 and 1903 births are missing.
The Arolsen Archives (Germany) also has a lot of records including Shoah survivor DP camp registrations, requests for financial assistance (which include handwritten information as to when and where the person was before, during, and after WW2, as well as the name(s) of relatives and relationships, typically names of siblings or cousins in the USA or Palestine, and other personal data. Some but not all of the Arolsen Archives have been indexed and digitized (an on-going project). I do know that they have some so-called Arolsen Red-Line Data / Documents (restricted access due to privacy concerns) which Anna (Anne) Altholz made (inquiries) which identified her married names (or aliases) as Adamcryk (possibly a false-identity name?) and Perlmutter.
I presume that it may still be possible to achieve your goal without a copy of Mendel's birth record.
You need to substantiate that he lived in Poland after 1920 (?) and didn't renounce his Polish citizenship prior to then. Also keep in mind that there is some kind of military registry with the names of males who are eligible for military service. So Mendel Altholz's (Mendel Fischler's) name is probably included on the list. However, it would record his LEGAL NAME (Mendel Fischler instead of Mendel Altholz, as the case may be), based on what's recorded on his birth record, which may or may not have been amended to indicate that his parents were legally married in 1904.
Incidentally, the Mendel Altholz in Dukla who signed the 1926 Polish Friendship book is definitely NOT your great grandfather, since the signatures are those of school children as well as their teachers!!!
You need to keep in mind that birth records are recorded under the mother's surname versus the father's surname depending on whether or not the father accompanied the mother when she registered the child, as well as whether or not the parents were "slubne" (legally married at the time). Unfortunately ritual marriages (the Ketuba document) are not acceptable proof of marriage. The birth record may or may not include the father's name initially, but once the parents obtain a so-called civil marriage document and present it to the town's registrar, the child's record will be amended accordingly. Hence up until that time Mendel and any siblings born prior to the parents' 1904 marriage would indicate Fischler instead of Altholz as the child's legal surname.
Good luck with your endeavor.
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 1:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Maybe this will help
| Zimorodek wrote: | Maybe the attached file will help a little.
Here is the original link: https://polska1926.pl/podpisy/1050146
Your great-grandfather's signature is on the bottom right. If you need more help just let me know.
This page is from Elementary School located in Dukla (located circa 25km from Chlebna). |
I somehow missed these responses, sorry about that! It seems this list is from 1926 which would be after my great-grandfather left Poland. I believe this is another Mendel Altholz as crazy as this sounds. If I am incorrect in this being from 1926, please do let me know.
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 1:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Maybe this will help
| Sophia wrote: | | Zimorodek wrote: | Maybe the attached file will help a little.
Here is the original link: https://polska1926.pl/podpisy/1050146
Your great-grandfather's signature is on the bottom right. If you need more help just let me know.
This page is from Elementary School located in Dukla (located circa 25km from Chlebna). |
Hi Zimorodek and MSBGENE73,
These pages of old signatures are beautiful, aren't they? Almost 100 years old.
The page for Mendel Altholz is the most important one for you, but just because you may find it interesting, here is a link to the page for Rozalia Altholz. She is in the group Klasa III, at the end of line 4. You will see her signature says Altholzówna, which is following old rules of names, but she is correctly indexed as Altholz. I wonder if she is the sibling you have listed by the name of Lea.
https://polska1926.pl/podpisy/1050373
On the same page as Mendel, and five names above his, there is a Rafael Fischler, who may or may not be related to Mendel through his mother whose maiden name was Fischler.
Good luck in your search,
Sophia |
Definitely could be relatives of my great-grandfather! Only issue I am seeing is if this is from 1926 then I know it is not my great-grandfather's signature. These people could easily be cousins or the children of cousins though given the year / age. i will have to look into this further.
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 1:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Relevant Krosno Jewish Vital Records (indirect proof)
| J-Gen-Expert wrote: | I found several Krosno records of interest to your endeavor.
People were free to officially record the birth / marriage / death in any town, not necessarily their place of residence. The records identify the place of residence in terms of the town / village name as well as the Cadastral house number. Also, the birth records usually include the maternal grandparents' names / occupation and where they reside as whether or not they are still living!
Although it's possible to download these digitized images directly from the PSA, it may be necessary for you to hire a private researcher in Poland or perhaps order them directly from the PSA (Polish State Archives), such that they will be authenticated / certified as true copies.
You can also view the images indirectly via JRI-Poland.
1. Mendel's parents (Mechel Altholz & Hena Fischler) officially registered their marriage in Krosno, Poland. The marriage date was noted as 2/23/1904 as per Krosno 1904 Akt # 4. At this time there is no link to a digitized record. The record itself would include the actual place of marriage including the date, as well as remarks as to when and where as well the notarized documention dates, town(s) where issued as well as their unique registration numbers. The couple had to present notarized copies of their own birth records, therefore the marriage record will also include references to those documents.
2. Lea's birth record Lea Fischler / Altholz [Krosno B 1900 # 36]
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/22559320?p_p_id=Jednostka&_Jednostka_delta=1&_Jednostka_cur=132
Note: Her parents weren't considered legally married until 1904, so her birth record SHOULD HAVE BEEN recorded under the mother's maiden name Fischler. The birth record normally gets amended subsequently with notations indicating the place, date and reference #s, as well as formally changing her legal surname from the mother's surname to the father's surname once the parents become LEGALLY married and show acceptable proof of marriage. Based on what I see, the birth record was NOT amended. Moreover the father's name was omitted. Moreover, the registrar indicated "nieslubne" (not legally married), but nonetheless recorded the mother's name as Hena Altholz instead of Hena Fischler (Hena's legal name!). Lea's legal name will still (technically) Fischler.
3. Chana Reisel Altholz's birth record Krosno B 1907 # 79
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/22559320?p_p_id=Jednostka&_Jednostka_delta=1&_Jednostka_cur=25
Ella Altholz's Krosno birth record got mis-indexed by JRI-Poland as "Etla Altholz". Here is a link to the digiitized image.
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/22559320?p_p_id=Jednostka&_Jednostka_delta=1&_Jednostka_cur=64
Mendel's birth record was NOT indexed by JRI-Poland, because the 1902 & 1903 Jewish birth records were lost or unavailable. I thought that I had a COMPLETE set of scanned images for 1900 - 1907 but I now know that the 1902 and 1903 births are missing.
The Arolsen Archives (Germany) also has a lot of records including Shoah survivor DP camp registrations, requests for financial assistance (which include handwritten information as to when and where the person was before, during, and after WW2, as well as the name(s) of relatives and relationships, typically names of siblings or cousins in the USA or Palestine, and other personal data. Some but not all of the Arolsen Archives have been indexed and digitized (an on-going project). I do know that they have some so-called Arolsen Red-Line Data / Documents (restricted access due to privacy concerns) which Anna (Anne) Altholz made (inquiries) which identified her married names (or aliases) as Adamcryk (possibly a false-identity name?) and Perlmutter.
I presume that it may still be possible to achieve your goal without a copy of Mendel's birth record.
You need to substantiate that he lived in Poland after 1920 (?) and didn't renounce his Polish citizenship prior to then. Also keep in mind that there is some kind of military registry with the names of males who are eligible for military service. So Mendel Altholz's (Mendel Fischler's) name is probably included on the list. However, it would record his LEGAL NAME (Mendel Fischler instead of Mendel Altholz, as the case may be), based on what's recorded on his birth record, which may or may not have been amended to indicate that his parents were legally married in 1904.
Incidentally, the Mendel Altholz in Dukla who signed the 1926 Polish Friendship book is definitely NOT your great grandfather, since the signatures are those of school children as well as their teachers!!!
You need to keep in mind that birth records are recorded under the mother's surname versus the father's surname depending on whether or not the father accompanied the mother when she registered the child, as well as whether or not the parents were "slubne" (legally married at the time). Unfortunately ritual marriages (the Ketuba document) are not acceptable proof of marriage. The birth record may or may not include the father's name initially, but once the parents obtain a so-called civil marriage document and present it to the town's registrar, the child's record will be amended accordingly. Hence up until that time Mendel and any siblings born prior to the parents' 1904 marriage would indicate Fischler instead of Altholz as the child's legal surname.
Good luck with your endeavor. |
This is super helpful, thank you for all of this information and for your well wishes! I actually do have the birth records of some of his siblings and the marriage record for Mechel and Hena straight from the Polish Archives already along with other documents the archives sent over to me. Just my luck 1902 & 1903 have been destroyed in some way.
I have been wondering about Adamcryk since seeing the Arolesen records Anna (formerly Chana) submitted, but Perlmutter makes sense since that was her married name after getting married when she made it to the U.S.
Do you have any idea how one could look into the military registry you mentioned? This could be interesting as I had not thought about this pathway before.
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J-Gen-Expert
Joined: 04 Jul 2025
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 2:21 pm
Post subject: Anna Altholz's 1947 NYC marriage record
Anna was married in 1947 under the name Anna Adamczyk. It was her first marriage according to her marriage license application. Maybe she didn't have her birth record, but had Shoah survivor I.D. with that name. Her digitized marriage application paperwork is at
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/11080858
I do not know how you would go about locating the military registry. However Miriam Weiner's Routes-to-Roots foundation does mention there are some Sanok army recruit records at the Sanok Branch of the PSA. I have not seen the records. It's still possible that Mendel's name is included and there might even be a notation indicating that he was living in the USA. Apparently the authorities used to mine the information from local birth records. The years shown in Miriam's database might be birth years. I presume that Krosno was somehow collectively affiliated with the Sanok military district which emcompassed more than just Sanok.
https://www.rtrfoundation.org/search.php
Enter SANOK and click SEARCH.
Next click on ARMY/RECRUITS
The summary description incudes
Year List: 1869;1874-1879;1881-1899;1901-1909;1937-1939
Zespol/Sygnatura: 135/570;155/24
Maybe that's where all such military records from the region are stored.
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 4:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Anna Altholz's 1947 NYC marriage record
| J-Gen-Expert wrote: | Anna was married in 1947 under the name Anna Adamczyk. It was her first marriage according to her marriage license application. Maybe she didn't have her birth record, but had Shoah survivor I.D. with that name. Her digitized marriage application paperwork is at
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/11080858
I do not know how you would go about locating the military registry. However Miriam Weiner's Routes-to-Roots foundation does mention there are some Sanok army recruit records at the Sanok Branch of the PSA. I have not seen the records. It's still possible that Mendel's name is included and there might even be a notation indicating that he was living in the USA. Apparently the authorities used to mine the information from local birth records. The years shown in Miriam's database might be birth years. I presume that Krosno was somehow collectively affiliated with the Sanok military district which emcompassed more than just Sanok.
https://www.rtrfoundation.org/search.php
Enter SANOK and click SEARCH.
Next click on ARMY/RECRUITS
The summary description incudes
Year List: 1869;1874-1879;1881-1899;1901-1909;1937-1939
Zespol/Sygnatura: 135/570;155/24
Maybe that's where all such military records from the region are stored. |
Wow this is super cool actually! I don't know why I did not think to look up Anna Adamczyk while doing all of my research after coming across that name in the Arolsen records. This is super interesting because Anna was hidden by a family during WWII and it's a black box about how she even got to the U.S. since none of my living relatives are really sure what happened when I asked them about it. Adamczyk might have been her assumed name during WWII while she was in hiding or something like that. I will have to explore this more.
I'll definitely look into the Routes-to-Roots foundation that you posted.
Thanks again!
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 1:36 am
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On the marriage application (April 10, 1947) and license (April 11, 1947) for Anna Adamczyk and William Friedberg that
J-Gen-Expert found https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/11080858 she stated her age as 36, born Dec 17, 1910. Her address was a Brooklyn address. Witnesses were Harriet Altholz and Minna Altholz. Anna's address was the same as Harriet's.
I found an immigration record for an Anna Adamczyk https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94V-YL34?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A24P8-GM5&action=view&cc=1923888&lang=en&groupId= who flew in from Paris on March 28, 1947. Age was listed as 37, estimated birth year 1910, place of birth Chlebna, last residence Paris, final destination Caracas Venezuela
Does any of that fit in with what you know? Did Mendel become Max, with wife Minnie?
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 10:21 am
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| looking for clues wrote: | On the marriage application (April 10, 1947) and license (April 11, 1947) for Anna Adamczyk and William Friedberg that
J-Gen-Expert found https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/11080858 she stated her age as 36, born Dec 17, 1910. Her address was a Brooklyn address. Witnesses were Harriet Altholz and Minna Altholz. Anna's address was the same as Harriet's.
I found an immigration record for an Anna Adamczyk https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94V-YL34?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A24P8-GM5&action=view&cc=1923888&lang=en&groupId= who flew in from Paris on March 28, 1947. Age was listed as 37, estimated birth year 1910, place of birth Chlebna, last residence Paris, final destination Caracas Venezuela
Does any of that fit in with what you know? Did Mendel become Max, with wife Minnie? |
Yes this all fits! Max was formerly Mendel and Minna was his wife. Harriet was the wife of Al and Al was Max's brother. Super curious why the final destination was listed as Venezuela. Perhaps that was necessary to get passage to the U.S. at the time due to restrictions or something. Also fascinating she landed March 28th, 1947 and had a marriage application submitted on April 10th, 1947. I am assuming my great-grandfather Max arranged all of this to safely get her to New York and be able to stay. She must have had the marriage annulled or gotten a divorce though as I believe she remarried in 1951 to a different man and was married to him until he passed in 2000 or so.
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1. Anna and William Freiberg were still married as of the 1950 federal census. They were childless. It is also interesting to note that her brother Alfred, his wife Harriet and their son were enumerated at the same address!
1950C) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHJ-5QHW-MQSJ-W
126 Oriental Blvd.,Brooklyn,NY.
Freiberg, Willi (Anna). Manager / retail children's apparel.
As per the NYC marriage index at https://nycmarriageindex.com/
Anna married Rubin Perlmutter in 1951. Brooklyn marriage license 1951 # 3504.
2. Apparently, the Krakow PSA was in touch with Anna Adamczyk, as per Dan's Krakow Search Engine search results which I have copied and pasted below:
FirstName Surname Birth BirthPlace Father Mother
Address/Date Occupation
Notes
Anna ALTHOLZ 17/12/1910 Chlebna Mechel - Henna FISCHLER
ul. Kolberga 6 /05.04.1946/ -
UWKr - AC III A 10/45 - zmiana nazwiska - Adamczyk
Found 1 match(es)
Residing at ul. Kolberga 6 in Krakow?
"zmiana nazwiska" = "change of name"; 10/1945 decree? "UWKr - AC III A 10/45"
3. Arolsen Archives actually has some documentation about Anna's sister Ella which lists her Maletzka alias plus her married name Kleiner. Ella's husband's name is listed as Moses Kleiner.
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/73540600?s=altholz&t=222899&p=5
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69922924?s=altholz&t=546157&p=5
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69923032?s=altholz&t=546157&p=5
There are at least 2 unique documents pertaining to their daughter (AKA Fela):
Felicitas https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69923032?s=maletzka&t=546157&p=2
Felicitas https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69922924?s=maletzka&t=546157&p=2
Felicia https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69923987?s=maletzka&t=546187&p=2
Felicia https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69924063?s=maletzka&t=546187&p=0
"Ella Kleiner" was enumerated by the 1950 census. She was living with her daughter (Fella) and son-in-law Felix Sucher.
Ella's son Samuel and his wife (?) Lona? were also living in the same household!!!
1950C) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHN-PQHW-9SQ1
249 E. 49th St.,Brooklyn,NY. Sucher, Felix (Fella); son Amie1? born in Germany;
mother-in-law Ella; brother-in-law Samuel; sister-in-law Lona? (Samuel's wife)
Arolsen Archives has records about Fella (Felicja) Sucher and her husband, as follows:
Felicja Sucher
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69351952?s=fella%20sucher&t=2743290&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/75177806?s=fella%20sucher&t=222899&p=0
Felix Sucher
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69351953?s=felix%20sucher&t=2743290&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/75177809?s=felix%20sucher&t=222899&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/81652228?s=felix%20sucher&t=21767&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/81787249?s=felix%20sucher&t=21918&p=0
Arolsen Archives has records about Samuel Kleiner:
Samuel Kleiner (wife's name Lucia Formalska):
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/67693819?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=2739014&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/67693820?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=2739014&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/67693821?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=2739014&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69923033?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=546157&p=1
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/72972279?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=222899&p=1
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/79291719?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=2890855&p=1
There are at least 4 documents about Lucia Formalska . I will post the associated URLs another time.
Ella was widowed by 1954. She filed her USDC/EDNY naturalization petition on 10/14/1954. She was naturalized on 12/9/1954.
petition front and back side -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMV-HD1H
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMV-HDYT
According to the aforementioned Petition she was born in Dukla on 5/18/1898. She emigrated to the USA on 8/26/1949. Her late husband Moses (deceased) was born in Krosno in September, 1893. They were married at Dukla on 4/4/1922.
Their offspring: Fella born in Poland on 8/25/1926 & Sam born in Poland on 5/7/1923.
NOTE: It's unclear as to where their children were born. If it was in Dukla and recorded at Dukla, their names are probably listed in the JRI-Poland records (not posted but available upon sponsoring the Dukla records indexing project with a nominal donation). Also although there are some surviving Dukla marriage records, the 1922 marriage records are missing / lost.
Ella's sister-in-law "Helene Engel Altholz" (Alfred Altholz's wife) was one of the persons listed under her naturalization petition's "Affidavit of Witnesses" section!
So there you have it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 5:54 pm
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| J-Gen-Expert wrote: | 1. Anna and William Freiberg were still married as of the 1950 federal census. They were childless. It is also interesting to note that her brother Alfred, his wife Harriet and their son were enumerated at the same address!
1950C) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHJ-5QHW-MQSJ-W
126 Oriental Blvd.,Brooklyn,NY.
Freiberg, Willi (Anna). Manager / retail children's apparel.
As per the NYC marriage index at https://nycmarriageindex.com/
Anna married Rubin Perlmutter in 1951. Brooklyn marriage license 1951 # 3504.
2. Apparently, the Krakow PSA was in touch with Anna Adamczyk, as per Dan's Krakow Search Engine search results which I have copied and pasted below:
FirstName Surname Birth BirthPlace Father Mother
Address/Date Occupation
Notes
Anna ALTHOLZ 17/12/1910 Chlebna Mechel - Henna FISCHLER
ul. Kolberga 6 /05.04.1946/ -
UWKr - AC III A 10/45 - zmiana nazwiska - Adamczyk
Found 1 match(es)
Residing at ul. Kolberga 6 in Krakow?
"zmiana nazwiska" = "change of name"; 10/1945 decree? "UWKr - AC III A 10/45"
3. Arolsen Archives actually has some documentation about Anna's sister Ella which lists her Maletzka alias plus her married name Kleiner. Ella's husband's name is listed as Moses Kleiner.
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/73540600?s=altholz&t=222899&p=5
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69922924?s=altholz&t=546157&p=5
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69923032?s=altholz&t=546157&p=5
There are at least 2 unique documents pertaining to their daughter (AKA Fela):
Felicitas https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69923032?s=maletzka&t=546157&p=2
Felicitas https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69922924?s=maletzka&t=546157&p=2
Felicia https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69923987?s=maletzka&t=546187&p=2
Felicia https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69924063?s=maletzka&t=546187&p=0
"Ella Kleiner" was enumerated by the 1950 census. She was living with her daughter (Fella) and son-in-law Felix Sucher.
Ella's son Samuel and his wife (?) Lona? were also living in the same household!!!
1950C) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHN-PQHW-9SQ1
249 E. 49th St.,Brooklyn,NY. Sucher, Felix (Fella); son Amie1? born in Germany;
mother-in-law Ella; brother-in-law Samuel; sister-in-law Lona? (Samuel's wife)
Arolsen Archives has records about Fella (Felicja) Sucher and her husband, as follows:
Felicja Sucher
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69351952?s=fella%20sucher&t=2743290&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/75177806?s=fella%20sucher&t=222899&p=0
Felix Sucher
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69351953?s=felix%20sucher&t=2743290&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/75177809?s=felix%20sucher&t=222899&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/81652228?s=felix%20sucher&t=21767&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/81787249?s=felix%20sucher&t=21918&p=0
Arolsen Archives has records about Samuel Kleiner:
Samuel Kleiner (wife's name Lucia Formalska):
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/67693819?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=2739014&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/67693820?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=2739014&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/67693821?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=2739014&p=0
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/69923033?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=546157&p=1
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/72972279?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=222899&p=1
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/79291719?s=samuel%20kleiner&t=2890855&p=1
There are at least 4 documents about Lucia Formalska . I will post the associated URLs another time.
Ella was widowed by 1954. She filed her USDC/EDNY naturalization petition on 10/14/1954. She was naturalized on 12/9/1954.
petition front and back side -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMV-HD1H
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMV-HDYT
According to the aforementioned Petition she was born in Dukla on 5/18/1898. She emigrated to the USA on 8/26/1949. Her late husband Moses (deceased) was born in Krosno in September, 1893. They were married at Dukla on 4/4/1922.
Their offspring: Fella born in Poland on 8/25/1926 & Sam born in Poland on 5/7/1923.
NOTE: It's unclear as to where their children were born. If it was in Dukla and recorded at Dukla, their names are probably listed in the JRI-Poland records (not posted but available upon sponsoring the Dukla records indexing project with a nominal donation). Also although there are some surviving Dukla marriage records, the 1922 marriage records are missing / lost.
Ella's sister-in-law "Helene Engel Altholz" (Alfred Altholz's wife) was one of the persons listed under her naturalization petition's "Affidavit of Witnesses" section!
So there you have it.
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1. Obviously I don't know first-hand if this is accurate, but Max (my ggf) owned a children's clothing store in Brooklyn, so my guess is Will was an employee whom he may have asked a favor of to get Anna over to the U.S. more securely. I could be totally wrong, but that is how this storyline would make sense. She must have met Rubin in the years between 1947 and 1951 and when she felt it was safe enough to get remarried did so. My guess is the marriage to Will was "sham" for lack of a better way to put it and they all lived with Al and Harriet for convenience.
2. Interesting! From what I understand from my family, she was training to be a nurse when the war broke out and she was hidden by a family or families and this all could have been in Krakow. Perhaps that is why they tried to contact her at some point.
3. Unfortunately I do not think the Ella you mentioned is related to Max/Anna in that way because Ella is actually Al (the one whose wife is Harriet). Ella is actually a male. You can see this here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9C-99H1-P?lang=en&i=676. The birth date of Ella on the birth record I have and the birth date of Al match up and I also got confirmation from someone at JRI-POLAND that the birth record has Female crossed out and Male written over it. This other Ella Altholz could easily be related to my family as a distant cousin of some kind.
I really appreciate your interest in this and sending me over all of the things you are finding! I forgot how fun genealogy research can be as I have taken a few months off from it for various personal reasons. I double checked my settings and I do have it enabled to receive notifications when there are new replies, so perhaps I did receive those emails from previous replies a few weeks ago and accidentally deleted them or something.
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 7:05 pm
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The following Arolsen Archives Document identifies Ella Kleiner's parents as Josef Altholz & Miriam Rosenthal.
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/73540600?s=73540600&t=222899&p=0
Therefore it is most interesting that Ella Kleiner's 1954 Petition for Naturalization included an affadavit by your clan's Helene Altholz (wife of Alfred Altholz).
As such, Ella Kleiner's father Josef Altholz and your ancestor Mechel Altholz may have been siblings.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 7:37 am
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| J-Gen-Expert wrote: | I apologize for the mix up. I am simultaneously working on detailing out Ella Kleiner's father's Josef Altholz's family tree. I am in touch with a descendent thereof. More about that another time.
The following Arolsen Archives Document identifies Ella Kleiner's parents as Josef Altholz & Miriam Rosenthal.
https://collections.arolsen-archives.org/en/search/person/73540600?s=73540600&t=222899&p=0
Therefore it is most interesting that Ella Kleiner's 1954 Petition for Naturalization included an affadavit by your clan's Helene Altholz (wife of Alfred Altholz).
As such, Ella Kleiner's father Josef Altholz and your ancestor Mechel Altholz may have been siblings. |
I've definitely stumbled upon the name Josef Altholz while looking for my own family, so super cool you are detailing that Altholz family tree! I have to imagine there is some familial connection to that family and mine, but I do not believe Josef is Mechel's sibling as I believe his siblings were Elias, Dawid, Sara, and Moses. Moses died at 3 years old according to my records though. Dawid and Sara both married and had children and it's unclear about Elias. Mechel's father is Hersch Altholz so perhaps Josef is the son of one of Hersch's siblings which would make Josef Mechel's cousin or something like that.
The only wrench I am throwing in your assessment is that Helene is not the wife of Alfred so the Helene Altholz on Ella Kleiner's Naturalization Petition must be someone else. Alfred's wife was Harriet.
All very fascinating nonetheless!
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