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Post Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:08 pm      Post subject:
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Hi Michael,

Long time no see. Hope you are well.

I attached quite a few records from Flomersheim in Germany. I'm curious to what you think the mother's maiden name is.

Her husband is Wilhelm Stahl and their kids baptisms are attached.

I believe it to be Oberforst; though, they had 3-4 more kids in Buffalo NY and it's clearly written as Oberkirsch or Oberkirsh in those records. One of the german records even appears to be Eberhard; though I "think" it's the same woman

What do you think? The black arrow shows each record.



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Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:37 am      Post subject:
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a4u2fear wrote:
Hi Michael,

Long time no see. Hope you are well.

I attached quite a few records from Flomersheim in Germany. I'm curious to what you think the mother's maiden name is.

Her husband is Wilhelm Stahl and their kids baptisms are attached.

I believe it to be Oberforst; though, they had 3-4 more kids in Buffalo NY and it's clearly written as Oberkirsch or Oberkirsh in those records. One of the german records even appears to be Eberhard; though I "think" it's the same woman

What do you think? The black arrow shows each record.


Hi Andrew,

Thanks, I’m fine. Hope, you too.

I would support your reading of the mother’s maiden name as “Oberförst” in the baptism records. In the death record it’s “Oberförster” (literally ‘head forester’).

Michael
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Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:55 am      Post subject: Help with German
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Please help with all the ___ ? and the *.
Thank you.
louie

Parish: St. Stanislaus Bishop and Martyr Church in Falkowice.

Damm Hammer 20/21* of January (1838)
B? D?** dur Muller Joseph Zowada v(on) s(einem) E(heweib )*** Maria geb. Marona 18th (__ 8 o’clock?****) geboren Agnes. T(auf ) Z(Eugen) Margaretha __aby, Krystina Frohn. Johann Bartzig, Johanna Tholbicjek? Scholbinyek? Hanson? (I give up!) -___czek?


* Note to self: In my next life, save the whole page AND the date might have been obvious.
** Birth Date
*** v.s.e (?) As a beginner, I don’t like the way the priest wrote that “s”!
**** Something before the geboren (worden) ___ 8 (h)ora?



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Post Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:09 pm      Post subject:
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Thanks Michael
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Post Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:46 am      Post subject: Re: Help with German
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Louie wrote:
Please help with all the ___ ? and the *.
Thank you.
louie

Parish: St. Stanislaus Bishop and Martyr Church in Falkowice.

Damm Hammer 20/21* of January (1838)
B? D?** dur Muller Joseph Zowada v(on) s(einem) E(heweib )*** Maria geb. Marona 18th (__ 8 o’clock?****) geboren Agnes. T(auf ) Z(Eugen) Margaretha __aby, Krystina Frohn. Johann Bartzig, Johanna Tholbicjek? Scholbinyek? Hanson? (I give up!) -___czek?


* Note to self: In my next life, save the whole page AND the date might have been obvious.
** Birth Date
*** v.s.e (?) As a beginner, I don’t like the way the priest wrote that “s”!
**** Something before the geboren (worden) ___ 8 (h)ora?


Hello Louie,

I would read this as: Agnes was born on January 18 and baptized two days later:

Damm(ratsch)hammer den 20ten Januar (1838)
T(auf) D(atum) dem Müller Joseph Zowada v(on) s(einem) E(heweib ) Maria geb. Marona am 18ten d(ieses) M(onats) geboren Agnes. T(auf) Z(eugen) Margaretza Llaby, Krystina Frohn, Johann Bartzig, Johanna Tholticsek (names are always a challenge and should be cross checked against other sources if possible)

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:15 pm      Post subject: German translation
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I'm curious if anyone can help me translate this document into English. Thank you!


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Post Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:23 am      Post subject: Re: German translation
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I'm curious if anyone can help me translate this document into English. Thank you!


Hello,

This document is the first page of a marriage record:

B. [indicating it’s a marriage record] No. 833.

Berlin, on September 19, 1914.

Before the undersigned registrar appeared today for the purpose of marriage:

1. the office porter [Bureaudiener] Ignaz Zünda, the identity approved through baptismal certificate [Taufschein], of Catholic religion, born on February 1, 1872 in Berent, residing in Berlin, Palisadenstr. 6, son of the master shoemaker [Schumachermeister] Jacob Zünda and his wife Marianna, born Mollin, both deceased, their last residence was in Berent.

2. the widowed business clerk [Geschäftsdiener] Krüger Marianna Klara born Blawat, the identity approved through baptismal certificate [Taufschein], of Catholic religion, born on February 1, 1865 in Berent, residing in Berlin, Palisadenstr. 6, daughter of the master tailor [Schneidermeister] Lorenz Blawat and his wife Marianna, born Skwierawska, both residing in Berent.

According to the comment on top of the right the wife died on February 7, 1942 in Berlin. Death Register No. 505, Civil Registry Office Berlin-Schöneberg.

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Michael
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Post Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:02 pm      Post subject: Re: German translation
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jmcenaney wrote:
I'm curious if anyone can help me translate this document into English. Thank you!


Hello,

This document is the first page of a marriage record:

B. [indicating it’s a marriage record] No. 833.

Berlin, on September 19, 1914.

Before the undersigned registrar appeared today for the purpose of marriage:

1. the office porter [Bureaudiener] Ignaz Zünda, the identity approved through baptismal certificate [Taufschein], of Catholic religion, born on February 1, 1872 in Berent, residing in Berlin, Palisadenstr. 6, son of the master shoemaker [Schumachermeister] Jacob Zünda and his wife Marianna, born Mollin, both deceased, their last residence was in Berent.

2. the widowed business clerk [Geschäftsdiener] Krüger Marianna Klara born Blawat, the identity approved through baptismal certificate [Taufschein], of Catholic religion, born on February 1, 1865 in Berent, residing in Berlin, Palisadenstr. 6, daughter of the master tailor [Schneidermeister] Lorenz Blawat and his wife Marianna, born Skwierawska, both residing in Berent.

According to the comment on top of the right the wife died on February 7, 1942 in Berlin. Death Register No. 505, Civil Registry Office Berlin-Schöneberg.

Best regards,
Michael





Thank you, Micheal! Truly. If you're up for it, I have the second page of the document as well. Thank you again.



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Post Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:09 am      Post subject: Re: German translation
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Thank you, Micheal! Truly. If you're up for it, I have the second page of the document as well. Thank you again.


The second page:

The following were present and appeared as witnesses:

3. the shoemaker [Schuhmacher] Anton Polczynski, the personality approved through certificate of rejection [Ausmusterungsschein], 40 years old, residing in Berlin-Groß Lichterfelde

4. the furniture polisher [Möbelpoliteur] Hermann Aled, the personality approved through insurance card [Quittungskarte], 51 years old, residing in Berlin Friedrichsberger Str. 26

The registrar put to each of the betrothed in turn the question: whether they were willing to enter into marriage with one another. The betrothed answered this question in the affirmative, whereupon the registrar pronounced that by virtue of the Civil Code they were henceforth legally joined in marriage.

Read aloud, authorized and signed
Ignaz Zynda
Marianna Zynda born Blawatt
Anton Polczynski
Hermann Aled

The Registrar
as deputy
Wentzel

Best regards and Merry Christmas
Michael
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Merry Christmas Michael,

Can you please translate the attached marriage record between Conrad Sauer and Maria Christina Geibel? 1824 in Nieder-wiesen/Bechenheim (Alzey)

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Merry Christmas Michael,

Can you please translate the attached marriage record between Conrad Sauer and Maria Christina Geibel? 1824 in Nieder-wiesen/Bechenheim (Alzey)

Thank you


Merry Christmas Andrew,

The left column:
[No.] 31. Conrad Sauer [from Niederwiesen married] Maria Christina Geibel from Bechenheim in Bechenheim on September 17, 1824.

The right column:
Conrad Sauer, a cartwright [Wagner] in Niederwiesen and legitimate unmarried son of Conrad Sauer, a farmer in Bechenheim and his wife Margaretha, born Hesops, from Bechenheim [“aus daselbst“ refers to the groom’s birthplace, Bechenheim] and Maria Christina Geibel, legitimate unmarried daughter of the deceased Peter Geibel, day laborer [Tagelöhner] in Orbis and his wife N.N. [name not provided], born Fuchs, from Orbis, [“aus daselbst“ refers to the bride’s birthplace, Orbis] were - preceded by the threefold proclamation of the banns of marriage - married in Bechenheim on September 17, 1824.

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Thanks Michael, your translations and help have taught me a lot of the handwriting. I could decipher many of these words but it was too important of a document, I needed the expert's eye!

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Post Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:29 pm      Post subject: Re: German translation
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Kmichael8 wrote:
jmcenaney wrote:

Thank you, Micheal! Truly. If you're up for it, I have the second page of the document as well. Thank you again.


The second page:

The following were present and appeared as witnesses:

3. the shoemaker [Schuhmacher] Anton Polczynski, the personality approved through certificate of rejection [Ausmusterungsschein], 40 years old, residing in Berlin-Groß Lichterfelde

4. the furniture polisher [Möbelpoliteur] Hermann Aled, the personality approved through insurance card [Quittungskarte], 51 years old, residing in Berlin Friedrichsberger Str. 26

The registrar put to each of the betrothed in turn the question: whether they were willing to enter into marriage with one another. The betrothed answered this question in the affirmative, whereupon the registrar pronounced that by virtue of the Civil Code they were henceforth legally joined in marriage.

Read aloud, authorized and signed
Ignaz Zynda
Marianna Zynda born Blawatt
Anton Polczynski
Hermann Aled

The Registrar
as deputy
Wentzel

Best regards and Merry Christmas
Michael


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Hi Michael,

Hope you enjoyed your new year! I love football and the Buffalo Bills and for the first time in 25 years I can go to a home playoff game. Really excited.

Attached is a birth from Nieder-Wiesen in 1825. I can make out most of it but couple questions. You previously translated Conrad Sauer and Christina Geibel's marriage. This is their daugther Elizabeth. I see Conrad's mother as a sponsor or witness Margaret. In the marriage you indicated her name was Hesop; though, I've seen it many times where I am lead to believe it's Hepp. In other instances, the two 'p's' look identical. Interested to see if you changed your mind here from Hesop to Hepp.

What is the word before the Father Conrad Sauer's name?

Also, I think Conrad Sauer in the witness/sponsor is Conrad's father (husband to Margaret). Am I right?



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Further explanation of Anna Margaret Hepp. Look at the bottom left confirmation here for John Sauer. His parents are Conrad Sauer and Anna Margaret Hepp. I think it's clear the they are two 'p's'. Maybe I'm wrong?


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