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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:41 am      Post subject: What city is Warklau? Varakļāni?
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Hello,
My great-grandfather is from "Warklau." However, I am not sure what town that is today, or what country it is. Any help would be appreciated!
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:52 am      Post subject: Re: What city is Warklau?
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mchait wrote:
Hello,
My great-grandfather is from "Warklau." However, I am not sure what town that is today, or what country it is. Any help would be appreciated!


Hi,
Unless it was misspelled it was in Latvia.

Gilberto


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:53 am      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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My source is Ellis Island and U.S. census records. His name was David Chait. Somewhere between 1880-1910. Thanks!
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:59 am      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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mchait wrote:
My source is Ellis Island and U.S. census records. His name was David Chait. Somewhere between 1880-1910. Thanks!


Arrival on EI on October 27, 1904, ship Patricia, from Hamburg. The link to the ship manifest is broken.
www.stevemorse.org The country is Latvia.

Followed by wife Channe and daughter Chaie in 1905.December 14.


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:27 pm      Post subject: Re: What city is Warklau?
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mchait wrote:
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My great-grandfather is from "Warklau." However, I am not sure what town that is today, or what country it is. Any help would be appreciated!


Hi,

I wonder what would be Polish orthography of Warklau.

My only idea is Warchoł / Warchoły or alike.

This page in old geography book:
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_XII/947
That name is in various areas, but I do not see Lithuania

One of Warchol* items says see Orchol (that is near Gniezno)
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_VII/574

Gilberto, did you see any geolocalization of Warklau?

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:14 pm      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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Elzbieta,

There is about a dozen of entries in www.stevemorse.org spelled as Warklau, Litvia, including the passenger mentioned.
I did not check Litvia maps.

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:46 pm      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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Thanks! What city is it named today?
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:02 pm      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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Gilberto, I see the ship, but I do not see anything that says from Latvia. Can you please post the link?

Elizabeth, I am thinking it is from Northern Poland, Southern Lithuania. What do you think?
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:24 pm      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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Warklau (German?) = Varakļāni (Latvian) = Warkljane (Polish)
Greenwich coordinates:56 degrees 36 minutes N 26 degrees 45 minutes E
Ferro coordinates: N same, E 44 degrees 25 minutes
80 km NNE of Daugavpils, 30 km west of Rezekne.
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:51 pm      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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Wow. Awesome. Thanks!! Is there a map with the German name, Warklau on it?
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:32 pm      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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mchait wrote:
Gilberto, I see the ship, but I do not see anything that says from Latvia. Can you please post the link?

Elizabeth, I am thinking it is from Northern Poland, Southern Lithuania. What do you think?


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:07 pm      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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I appreciate the research everyone! Could it be Warkau?
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:24 pm      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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Magroski49 wrote:
mchait wrote:
Gilberto, I see the ship, but I do not see anything that says from Latvia. Can you please post the link?

Elizabeth, I am thinking it is from Northern Poland, Southern Lithuania. What do you think?


Here it goes:
http://polishorigins.com/forum/files/warklau_626.jpg


Gilberto,

Fantastic table, because it shows all variant of the same name in Latvia, with difficult ending for many ears.

Ending:
Warklau 1,2,3,4,5,12,14,15,16,17,20
Warklaw 10,11,21,22
Warklang 6,7,23
Warklai 25,27,28
Warklani 24
Warklan 26

Two correct:
Warklany 8,9,19,23 (Polish)
Warkland 18 (German)

Wark-land in German, Wark-lany in Polish, with łany=cultivated land

Searching for etymology of "Wark"
http://www.stankiewicze.com/index.php?kat=44&sub=555
Wark - od warczeć, warknąć, może też od imienia złożonego Warcisław.
// Wark - from growl, snarl, may be also from the composed name Warcisław

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:35 pm      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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I can't find a map with Warklau on it. There is a German map (1943) with Warkland.
https://mapstor.com/data/map-previewf/de--me--300k/gif/de--me--300k--1U57--(1943)--N057-00_E026-20--N056-00_E028-20.jpg
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Post Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:44 pm      Post subject: What city is Warklau?
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mchait wrote:
I appreciate the research everyone! Could it be Warkau?


I discarded that one, because it is far away from Latvia.

Warkau:
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_XII/956
It says powiat wystrucki, which leads to Rejencja gąbińska:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rejencja_g%C4%85bi%C5%84ska
in East Prussia:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rejencja_g%C4%85bi%C5%84ska#/media/File:Prusy_Wschodnie.svg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Ethnic_map_East_Prussia_1907.jpeg

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