ShelliePO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:56 pm
Post subject: Makacz Makuch Matyja (Odrowaz village) 1823 birth certif
The online auction site Delcamp.net has a 1823 birth certificate for Jozef Makuch (probably spelled Makacz) for sale at the link below.
I am not the seller, I just stumbled upon it while searching for links to my family village Odrowaz. It is listed as Josepus Makuch - Chatarina Hatyja - Odrowaz - Tarnów -Galicia -Lodz - Poland - 1856 AV657 Item number: 53786905. The price without shipping is 12 euros. I don't know how long it has been for sale, but I first looked at it in May 2009 and the seller has relisted it several times at the same price.
I am not an expert, so I can not comment whether the document is authentic. It is very similar to the document I have for my grandfather who was born in 1908 in Poland. The site allows you to zoom in on the photos and clearly read the document. I was able to confirm the birth record during my Forefathers Traces Tour with Zenon - however, the seller has deciphered the names incorrectly.
The certificate records the 1823 birth of Jozef Makacz (Makuch?) to Andrzej Makacz and Katarzyna Matyja (I am using the spellings taken from my records)
If these names match your family, you might be interested in taking a look at this. The seller's user name is Merlion and he is located in Romania. I have never purchased anything from this auction site, but I did register so I could contact the seller about other documents from that area of Poland. He actually had another document for this same Jozef (see additional threads below).
This is the link - I tested it on 16 DEC 2009 and was able to connect directly to the item:
http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/language,E,id,53786905,var,Josepus-Makuch-Chatarina-Hatyja-Odrowaz-Tarnow-Galicia-Lodz-Poland-1856-AV657.html
UPDATE: 03 FEB 2010 - this item is still for sale at this same link
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ShelliePO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:09 pm
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There is also a document at the same site for Jozef Makuch and Magdalena Depta (or maybe Depła). The price is 12 Euros. The seller states that this is a marriage certificate. If you click on each photo, you can zoom in and get a better look.
I am curious about this document and what it is saying. I'm not asking for a full translation, but would someone could take a look and give me a general idea of what it says? I know that Jozef Makuch was from my ancestral village Odrowaz, but does the certificate say anything about where Magdalena was from and who her parents were?
http://stamps.delcampe.net/page/item/id,53780898,var,Joseph-Makuch-Magdalena-Depta-Neu-Sandetz-Nowy-Sacz-Poland-1857-AV649,language,E.html
I checked this link on 03 JAN 2010 and was able to connect directly to the item.
I checked this link on 09 APR 2012 and the item was not longer there.
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:12 pm
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Shellie,
an interesting record! The text is in old German writing, I can read part of it, but not all, it's not a marriage record but a letter about a marital legislation (a so-called "politischer Ehekonsens") that was needed for Jozef Makuch's marriage to Magdalena.
Ute
| Shellie wrote: | There is also a document at the same site for Jozef Makuch and Magdalena Depta (or maybe Depła). The price is 12 Euros. The seller states that this is a marriage certificate. If you click on each photo, you can zoom in and get a better look.
I am curious about this document and what it is saying. I'm not asking for a full translation, but would someone could take a look and give me a general idea of what it says? I know that Jozef Makuch was from my ancestral village Odrowaz, but does the certificate say anything about where Magdalena was from and who her parents were?
http://stamps.delcampe.net/page/item/id,53780898,var,Joseph-Makuch-Magdalena-Depta-Neu-Sandetz-Nowy-Sacz-Poland-1857-AV649,language,E.html
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:36 pm
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Shellie:
Very interesting document indeed. My ggrandmother is Helena Makuch(b.1897) and her father was Stanislaw Makuch. Im just not sure if Joseph Makuch was related or not. I did not realize people auctioned off documents like that!
Happy Polish Hunting!
Brandy Piotrowski Dowen
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ShelliePO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:52 pm
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Brandy,
Was Helena Makuch from Odrowaz or the Czarny Dunajec area?
Oops, I just saw your other posting stating that she was from Szczuczin-Lenka, Dombrowa!
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ZenonPolishOrigins Team Leader
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:43 am
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| Shellie wrote: | | Oops, I just saw your other posting stating that she was from Szczuczin-Lenka, Dombrowa! |
Or to be more precise from Łęka Szczucińska, Szczucin and Dąbrowa Tarnowska, click here for the google map: http://bit.ly/auDJtJ  .
Here is my full reply to Brandy's question: http://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?p=1642#1642
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:23 am
Post subject: Jozef Makuch-Wojciech Magiera-Antonina Rol
| Shellie wrote: | | ... I know that Jozef Makuch was from my ancestral village Odrowaz ... |
Shellie,
while researching my ROL ancestor from Szaflary-Banska I came across a Wojciech Magiera, b abt 1884 who married Antonina ROL. He immigrated to the US on May 29, 1902 via Baltimore, Maryland on board of the SS Dresden, departure Bremen, last residence Szaflory [Szaflary]. The passenger record indicates that his destination in the US was his brother-in-law Jozef Makuch in Chicago, 7204, Paulina St. Do you know if the Jozef Makuch from Odrowaz settled in Chicago?
Ute
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ShelliePO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Jozef Makuch-Wojciech Magiera-Antonina Rol
| Ute wrote: | | Shellie wrote: | | ... I know that Jozef Makuch was from my ancestral village Odrowaz ... |
Shellie,
while researching my ROL ancestor from Szaflary-Banska I came across a Wojciech Magiera, b abt 1884 who married Antonina ROL. He immigrated to the US on May 29, 1902 via Baltimore, Maryland on board of the SS Dresden, departure Bremen, last residence Szaflory [Szaflary]. The passenger record indicates that his destination in the US was his brother-in-law Jozef Makuch in Chicago, 7204, Paulina St. Do you know if the Jozef Makuch from Odrowaz settled in Chicago?
Ute |
Hi Ute! I'm sorry but I don't have an answer. The Jozef from Odrowaz was born in 1823, so I'm not sure it is the same man. But you have found an interesting clue that is probably worth some more exploration!
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