Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:53 pm
Post subject: Schiff Family
Hello, I hope this is the correct place to post this. I am researching my family and trying to find out where in Poland they are from and if there are still relatives there. This is what I have:
Hanchel (Anchel, Herman) Schiff born 1878. His father was Fred. Hanchel's wife, Cyrel (Tzirel) Lewis (Lieb) born 1882/84. They went to England then Canada then to U.S. around 1901/02. (I don't know if Fred came along). Hanchel and Cyrel are buried in the Ostrover section of the cemetery here in the US. I've been told this means they came from Ostrow. On Hanchel's naturalization papers, he says he was born in Zemberof, Russian Poland. (Pretty sure the town is a misspelling). I've found an Anzce Szfyman whose father was Friom on a Polish census, but no other information. Anzce was born in Jablonka and Froim possibly Zareby Koscielne - I don't know if these are the same people.
Any help and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I've been looking for years!
[email protected]
Thank you!
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Schiff Family
| Danette wrote: | Hello, I hope this is the correct place to post this. I am researching my family and trying to find out where in Poland they are from and if there are still relatives there. This is what I have:
Hanchel (Anchel, Herman) Schiff born 1878. His father was Fred. Hanchel's wife, Cyrel (Tzirel) Lewis (Lieb) born 1882/84. They went to England then Canada then to U.S. around 1901/02. (I don't know if Fred came along). Hanchel and Cyrel are buried in the Ostrover section of the cemetery here in the US. I've been told this means they came from Ostrow. On Hanchel's naturalization papers, he says he was born in Zemberof, Russian Poland. (Pretty sure the town is a misspelling). I've found an Anzce Szfyman whose father was Friom on a Polish census, but no other information. Anzce was born in Jablonka and Froim possibly Zareby Koscielne - I don't know if these are the same people.
Any help and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I've been looking for years!
[email protected]
Thank you! |
Danette,
Zareby Koscielny jewish records in http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/ar15-zs0420d
Gilberto
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:50 pm
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Thank you for the link Gilberto, I will check it now.
Best,
Danette
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:46 pm
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| Danette wrote: | Thank you for the link Gilberto, I will check it now.
Best,
Danette |
Could you upload his Nat papers?
Gilberto
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:55 pm
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Gilberto,
I'd be happy too, if only I could figure out how! The pic link wants a URL for the photo and I have them in my iPad (no URL). Is there another way to attach them? There are three pages.
Danette
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:02 pm
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| Danette wrote: | Gilberto,
I'd be happy too, if only I could figure out how! The pic link wants a URL for the photo and I have them in my iPad (no URL). Is there another way to attach them? There are three pages.
Danette |
If it is in a computer...no larger than 2MB in .jpeg format. No idea how a iPad works.
Jewish records for Zambrow in http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/5/174/0/str/3/15?ps=True#tabJednostki
Gilberto
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:28 pm
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Let's see if this works
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:59 pm
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Gilberto,
I really appreciate the link, sadly I can't read or understand Polish. I tried the English version but as far as I can tell, it says no digitized records.
Danette
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:57 pm
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| Danette wrote: | Gilberto,
I really appreciate the link, sadly I can't read or understand Polish. I tried the English version but as far as I can tell, it says no digitized records.
Danette |
Those records are written in russian (after 1868). Even worse, in a format I had never seen before.
His birth year 1878 is not available. Perhaps his parents married in 1877 or early years.
Gilberto
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Schiff papers
| Danette wrote: | | Let's see if this works |
March 5, 1878 in one record
March 12, 1879 in the other.
I think the ship name is La Champagne.
Gilberto
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:34 pm
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| Magroski49 wrote: | | Danette wrote: | Gilberto,
I really appreciate the link, sadly I can't read or understand Polish. I tried the English version but as far as I can tell, it says no digitized records.
Danette |
Those records are written in russian (after 1868). Even worse, in a format I had never seen before.
His birth year 1878 is not available. Perhaps his parents married in 1877 or early years.
Gilberto |
Well Russian makes it even worse for me! . I'm sure it was earlier years.
Danette
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Schiff papers
| Magroski49 wrote: | | Danette wrote: | | Let's see if this works |
March 5, 1878 in one record
March 12, 1879 in the other.
I think the ship name is La Champagne.
Gilberto |
Yes, I saw two birth dates and years, still haven't narrowed down the month and date but fairly certain his birth year is 1878. The ship is Lake Champlain from England UK to Canada (I think it was from England to Canada). Then the Grand Trunk Railroad from Canada to the US. I have them in the US (not Canada and England. My grandmother, their daughter was born in England - but I have yet to find a birth certificate for her). I'm trying to find them back in Poland.
Danette
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:26 pm
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Danette,
Gilberto,
Jumping in your conversation.
Schiff written in Cyrillic is:
Шифф
Шифф
Handwritten versions will be much more alike Cyrillic handwritten alphabet
http://www.baylor.edu/content/imglib/5/2/8/52880.jpg
I followed both URLs given by Gilberto:
1. Akta stanu cywilnego Okręgu Bożniczego w Zarębach Kościelnych, years 1881 to 1912
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/ar15-zs0420d
2. Jewish records for Zambrow in Polish National Archives
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/5/174/0/str/3/15?ps=True#tabJednostki
In the first one, metryki, the records are indeed as said, per annum (I checked birth indexes for three years).
But in the second one, in a given year, one may find records from a dozen of past years. It seems to me, we had it already here on PO, that many Jewish records were registered in late.
No Шифф in 1878.
I browsed birth indexes for 1879, 1880, 1887, 1888, 1889, 1890 - did not see any single Schiff - Шифф, any single name starting with Шифф*
Maybe not that Zambrow, powiat Łomża?
My last chance will be - when szukajwarchiwach.pl comes back online, it's broken now - to search for Nathan, born 7 June 1898.
Concerning Ostrów, it is very popular name, so it does not help at all.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostr%C3%B3w
Best,
Elzbieta
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:08 pm
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Yes, please jump in Elzbieta and thank you!!
Wow, Ostrow, very popular.
I think I may have it narrowed down to Lomsa (Lomza?) but I saw a census on Jewishgen that had Ancze Szyfman as having been born in Jablonka. I found a Froim (that was listed as his father on the same census) as having been born (in est 1850s) in Zareby Koscielne - are these places close to Zambrow?
Thank you so very much for searching szukajwarchiwach.pl for me, I'm forever grateful!
Best,
Danette
Also, there was a rumor that Nathan put his birth year back 2 years from 1900 so that he could marry.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:01 pm
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| Danette wrote: | Yes, please jump in Elzbieta and thank you!!
Wow, Ostrow, very popular.
I think I may have it narrowed down to Lomsa (Lomza?) but I saw a census on Jewishgen that had Ancze Szyfman as having been born in Jablonka. I found a Froim (that was listed as his father on the same census) as having been born (in est 1850s) in Zareby Koscielne - are these places close to Zambrow?
Thank you so very much for searching szukajwarchiwach.pl for me, I'm forever grateful!
Best,
Danette
Also, there was a rumor that Nathan put his birth year back 2 years from 1900 so that he could marry. |
What if it is Zembrow, and not Zambrow?
Zembrów
woj. mazowieckie
pow. sokołowski
gmina Sabnie
Gilberto
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