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SubbotaAnton



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Post Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:17 pm      Post subject: Racziński in Russia
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Hello!

I am trying to find origin of my Racziński. As far as I know, there is Grigoriy (Gregory) Ivanovich (his father was Ivan, or Jan-Janusz), who was born probably in 1840. Actually I don't know his birthday, but I know that in 1861 year he had daughter.

His daughter was born here - https://www.google.ru/maps/place/Krasnousolsky,+Republic+of+Bashkortostan/@53.895707,56.4535735,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x43d835d298058f1f:0x704630cb47a53b5b!8m2!3d53.8907605!4d56.4698133 . It's Ufa area.

In documents of 1864 (his second daughter was born in this year) Grigoriy Rachinskiy described as "вольноотпущенный", which means that he was peasant, but his owner decided to give him freedom (before 1861, when all peasants in Russia received freedom).

I checked documents of "Богоявленское", where his daughter was born, and probably his wife was from this place too. "Богоявленское" is a factory, and I have list of all workers in this place in 1850. But there is no Rachinskiy in 1850 unfortunatelly. I can't find any documents about it.

I decided that may be he was exiled from Poland to Russia between 1850-1860. I know that he is Pole, because his descendant remember about it.

Also it's possible that he was exiled before 1850, let's say 1830, or earlier. But he lived in other city/villages.

I found this resourse - http://www.stankiewicz.e.pl/index.php?kat=23&sub=474 - and checked list, and found out a lot of Rachinski in different times. But there is no info about Rachinski, who has name "Grigoriy", "Ivan", "Jan" etc.

I decided that it's my last chance to write here this story. May be some of "Rachinski" family have great family tree and remember about Rachinski, who exiled to Russia. Or may be there are another resources where I should check or ask.

I will very appreciate any helps! But all that I can offer instead - translate some russian texts to English Smile

PS Both daughter of Grigoriy Rachinskiy ( https://www.geni.com/people/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%A0%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9/6000000036309004774?through=6000000036228783880 ) married to let's say honorary citizens of this area. I thought it's sign that Grigoriy has good education or somethink like it.

This is photo of his daughter - https://www.geni.com/people/%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0/6000000036228783880 . She is my great-great-grandmother

PPS May be it's wrong place for this theme. sorry for it.

PPPS Here http://www.stankiewicz.e.pl/index.php?kat=23&sub=963 I see

"Raczyński Tymoteusz z Dubna z synami Ignacym i Joachimem, wołyńska gub.; [1831-66]". May be Joachimem = Ivan in Russia? A very little chance...



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Post Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:50 pm      Post subject: Re: Racziński in Russia
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SubbotaAnton wrote:
Hello!

PPPS Here http://www.stankiewicz.e.pl/index.php?kat=23&sub=963 I see

"Raczyński Tymoteusz z Dubna z synami Ignacym i Joachimem, wołyńska gub.; [1831-66]". May be Joachimem = Ivan in Russia? A very little chance...


Hi,

It does not appear that Joachim can equal Ivan in Russian. The attachment is from a list of Polish given names and their Cyrillic equivalents which I found a number of years ago which gives the Cyrillic version of the Polish Joachim. I saved the list but unfortunately no longer remember where I originally found it.

With wishes for success in your search,

Dave



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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:58 am      Post subject:
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Hello, The family Raczyński was living in Wielkopolska, Poznań, i see no connections with russian land of that time. Best description of Raczyński family is here http://trakt.poznan.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/5_Raczyscy_jakich_nie_znacie.pdf with big tree

However, there is a good chance, that one Raczyński was exciled to deep russia, it was very common at a time, and it "happened" to people fighting against russian regime.

Lets say about one Michał Raczyński, that was exciled after january uprising (1863) http://forum.tradytor.pl/viewtopic.php?t=3328#p13318

This might be an example, cause dates are later. But tere was earlier November Uprising (1830).

Ivan is not typical polish name, so lets assume Ivan's father would have been polish if not another precedessor.

Interesting reading https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akatujskie_wi%C4%99zienie_kator%C5%BCnicze one of the excilced was Eustachy Raczyński
He? was unfortunately killed https://books.google.pl/books?id=1yNfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=eustachy+raczy%C5%84ski&source=bl&ots=c4y3w4AAFm&sig=L9f0deyqeqfODN9V5zd_HdDMVfE&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM4v3R8OnQAhXIfiwKHS4eCj0Q6AEIJTAC#v=onepage&q=eustachy%20raczy%C5%84ski&f=false

Well, that were examples, more time needed to find any more connections.
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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:12 am      Post subject:
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Thank u for a lot of links and useful information!
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Post Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:09 am      Post subject:
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Correction, according to other source (its the whole story, but look on 7 and the last page) http://www.tnp.org.pl/ZbiorySpecjalne/2011/Kraushar%20Alexander.%20Czwartak%20Antoni%20Olkowski%20i%20jego%20towarzysze..%20Rok%201833.%20Warszawa%201918.pdf

Eustachy Raczyński 19 years at 1833 had have been changed death penalty into katorga in Akatuj Camp, and after 25 years he come back to homeland (Poland) in 1858. Wonder if he had any affair there? He might be freed and settled in the village before come back. Who knows.
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Post Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:14 pm      Post subject:
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One friend also gave me beutiful link - http://www.geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?rid=S&from_date=&to_date=&search_lastname=Raczy%F1ski+&search_lastname2=&rpp1=50&bdm=S&w=12sl&op=gt&lang=pol

And I found out a lot of Raczyński with name "Jan".
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Post Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:08 pm      Post subject:
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Hi again!

Geneteka http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/ is a very beautiful place for finding ancestors, huge, human indexed, list of BMD records of all voivodeships of Poland, and outside. Your link gives Raczyński name only for Śląskie Voivodeship. There are many voivodeships, if you look for Raczyński surname in Mazowieckie only, then you get almost one thousand records with this name.

This is hard at this stage to connect any Raczyński from geneteka with your family. Have you tried to go to villigage of your GGGMother Anna Karazinowa, for parish records? Parish recors usually are informative
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