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lecount1973

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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:38 am Post subject:

Besides researching information on the names, I was also interested in the origins of the mentioned surnames. If anyone has any information on any of the origins/meanings/ethnic backgrounds/etc. of these surnames, I would be greatly appreciative....Thanks!
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:02 pm Post subject:

These are many surnames. Let me describe them one at a time.

Moskal literally means "inhabitant of Moscow" but the term in general (and not in very positive meaning) was used for Russians. Also "oatcake" or "glutton".

In 2002 there were 6841 people using the surname Moskal living in Poland. Detailed map can be found here https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Moskal .

Listen how your surname is pronounced in Polish (speakers turned on): http://say.expressivo.com/jacek/moskal .

Click here http://polishorigins.com/databases/index?s=moskal to check what can be found about your surname in Polish Genealogy Databases.

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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject:

Zoltek or rather with Polish letters Żółtek, Żółt- from Polish żółty - yellow.

In 2002 there were 1121 people using the surname Żółtek living in Poland. Detailed map can be found here https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/%C5%BB%C3%B3%C5%82tek .

Listen how your surname is pronounced in Polish (speakers turned on): http://say.expressivo.com/ewa/żółtek .

Click here http://polishorigins.com/databases/index?s=%C5%BC%C3%B3%C5%82tek to check what can be found about your surname in Polish Genealogy Databases.

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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:51 am Post subject:

Sudol or much more popular with Polish letters Sudoł or Sudół from villages names (toponym) Sudół and Sudoły.

Detailed map of deployment of these three surnames can be found here: https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Sudol , https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Sudo%C5%82 and https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Sud%C3%B3%C5%82 .

Listen how your surname is pronounced in Polish (speakers turned on): http://say.expressivo.com/jacek/sudol , http://say.expressivo.com/WjKGoeyV and http://say.expressivo.com/CmxrSptH

Click here http://polishorigins.com/databases/index?s=sudo%C5%82 , http://polishorigins.com/databases/index?s=sud%C3%B3%C5%82 to check what can be found about your surname in Polish Genealogy Databases.

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lecount1973

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:43 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the information so far Zenon, much appreciated.

A few quick questions. In regards to Zoltek, why or how would someone get a surname which means yellow? Was this derogatory? I've also heard that it could mean Asian in appearance?
If so, is there any truth to this as far as Asian (maybe mongal/tatar/cyganie/middle eastern??)

In regards to Moskal, same premise, why or how would someone get a surname which means Muscovite, or oatcake. I do know that Russian soldiers carried these oatcakes with them, and I also heard something that has to do with workers and soot - and how their faces would get dirty henceforth, oatcake, referring to their skin. Would love to hear any more information about this...
I might add that my mother said that my great grandmother Moskal looked like an Eskimo (inuit). Of course she wasn't, but I have seen pictures and there definitely was a major Asian look to her....

And this is the first time that I've heard about the villages (toponym) Sudół and Sudoły. Very interesting.

Any more information regarding any of the surnames listed would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. Dzienkuje bardzo.

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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:03 am Post subject:

lecount1973 wrote:

A few quick questions. In regards to Zoltek, why or how would someone get a surname which means yellow? Was this derogatory? (...)
In regards to Moskal, same premise, why or how would someone get a surname which means Muscovite, or oatcake. I do know that Russian soldiers carried these oatcakes with them, and I also heard something that has to do with workers and soot - and how their faces would get dirty henceforth, oatcake, referring to their skin. Would love to hear any more information about this...

I recommend you read the article How Surnames Came Into Being in Poland: http://polishorigins.com/document/surnames and the an interesting and educational discussion under this article thread in Forum here: http://polishorigins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=104 . If you were interested to even more dig in the subject I recommend you an outstanding book 'Polish Surnames: Origins and Meanings' by William F. Hoffman,. The book can be found on Polish Genealogical Society of America store here: http://www.pgsa.org/store/ . You can also try to find it on Amazon.com .

lecount1973 wrote:

I've also heard that it could mean Asian in appearance?

That's right. It is rather unkind epithet for Asians in Polish. But I think this is not original origin of the surname Żółtek.

lecount1973 wrote:

I might add that my mother said that my great grandmother Moskal looked like an Eskimo (inuit). Of course she wasn't, but I have seen pictures and there definitely was a major Asian look to her....

This is interesting. During the centuries the Polish land was many times invaded by Tatars, Cossacks and other eastern nations. Many of them left their "traces" here. Maybe DNA test could bring some interesting findings here Question

Check this thread: DNA testing and Poland http://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=369 .

lecount1973

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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:01 am Post subject:

I actually had dna testing.....unfortunately I don't have any faith in the autosomal dna tests which claim to give percentages of individual ethnicities....however I have taken the mtdna and ydna haplogroup and subclade test......results:
Mtdna: Haplogroup H - Subclade H6a
ydna:: Haplogroup R1a1 Subclade: R1a1a

Of course this only tells the story of ones deep ancestry......
Any other "Polish" people out there with these Dna markers......

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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:32 am Post subject:

Next of your surnames: Starzec

Starzec means in Polish "old man".

In 2002 there were 2691 people using the surname Starzec living in Poland. Detailed map can be found here https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Starzec .

Listen how your surname is pronounced in Polish (speakers turned on): http://say.expressivo.com/jacek/starzec .

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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:40 am Post subject:

Los means in Polish "lot" or "fate".

In 2002 there were 238 people using the surname living in Poland. https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Los .

Listen how your surname is pronounced in Polish (speakers turned on): http://say.expressivo.com/jacek/los .

If you use two Polish letters in this word you can get much more popular surname in Poland - Łoś, which literally means "elk".

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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:08 am Post subject:

Yes I'm almost positive it was Łoś, I should have clarified that. And that is a pretty popular name: Łoś?
Wow, and Starzec means old man. I did not know that? Are most of these surnames typically Polish? Once again, thanks for all the info, I really appreciate it!

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:58 am Post subject:

lecount1973 wrote:

Are most of these surnames typically Polish?

Yes, actually all of them are typically Polish. However Cieryt is a very rare name.

lecount1973 wrote:

I'm almost positive it was Łoś

So, it makes "a little" difference Wink

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Łoś means in Polish elk .

In 2002 there were 5389 people using the surname Łoś living in Poland. Detailed map can be found here https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/%C5%81o%C5%9B .

Listen how your surname is pronounced in Polish (speakers turned on): http://say.expressivo.com/29yTEqWY .

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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:20 am Post subject:

Gil is Polish word for bullfinch.

In 2002 there were 12563 people using the surname Gil living in Poland. Detailed map can be found here https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Gil .

Listen how your surname is pronounced in Polish (speakers turned on): http://say.expressivo.com/ewa/gil .

Click here http://polishorigins.com/databases/index?s=gil to check what can be found about your surname in Polish Genealogy Databases.

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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:40 am Post subject:

Cieryt . Unfortunately, there is no mention about Cieryt surname in the sources I have access to.

In 2002 there were only 39 people using the surname Cieryt living in Poland. The most - 11 - lived in Leżajsk county. Detailed map can be found here https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Cieryt .

Listen how your surname is pronounced in Polish (speakers turned on): http://say.expressivo.com/jacek/cieryt .

There are not too many results in our Polish Genealogy Databases tool for your Cieryt surname (mainly results with your post in this thread). However there are 4 matches on Ancestry.com - click here: http://polishorigins.com/databases/index?s=cieryt .

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