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cedarlakeinn



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Post Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:27 pm      Post subject: Finding Census Records - Russian Partition of Poland
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I am going to Poland in a couple weeks and wish to find civil (and possibly parish) census records of my ancestors from the villages, Gontarze/Zbójna. Particularly from the years 1850-1900. I believe the records would be held at the state archive branches in Białystok & Łomża. I was told from someone that the Łomża branch has nothing prior to 1890. They never confirmed for me whether or not they hold census records. Central Archives of Historical Records in Warsaw claims they don't carry anything like birth or census records, which I found strange. I will go to the churches to look into their holdings. But I am hoping some people on here can help give me advice on how to find these records. This is all new to me, so any help would be appreciated. To those that respond, thank you for your time and attention.

David
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Tina Ellis



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Post Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:53 pm      Post subject: Records for Lomza
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The LDS have some records for Lomza, for some parishes in that area. Did your family definitely live in the city of Lomza, county of Lomza or province of Lomza? That makes a big difference. https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=64957&query=%2Bplace%3A%22Poland%2C%20Bia%C5%82ystok%2C%20%C5%81om%C5%BCa%22&subjectsOpen=388855-50. The LDS have them listed in their catalog.
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Agnieszka Pawlus
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Post Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:00 am      Post subject:
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David,

Welcome to our Forum!
Village Gontarze (https://goo.gl/maps/Jq9YBBd6aqR2), as well as
Zbójna ( https://goo.gl/maps/AMdSvCGz9kt) belonged to the parish in Nowogród.
There are vital records (indeed only from 1891) available in the State Archives in Łomża: http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/search?q=Nowogr%C3%B3d%20XTYPEro%3Apra

The older records might be available in the parish or in the diocese archives in Łomża.

Nowogród is the cultural centre of Kurpie region, so you should definitely visit also teh Kurpie Ethnographic Park in Nowogród.

If you need any assistance with your tour, feel free to contact as to [email protected] or just fill in short Genealogy Tour request form: http://polishorigins.com/tour-request/

Good luck with your research!
Agnieszka
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cedarlakeinn



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Post Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:14 am      Post subject: Re: Records for Lomza
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Tina Ellis wrote:
The LDS have some records for Lomza, for some parishes in that area. Did your family definitely live in the city of Lomza, county of Lomza or province of Lomza? That makes a big difference. https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=64957&query=%2Bplace%3A%22Poland%2C%20Bia%C5%82ystok%2C%20%C5%81om%C5%BCa%22&subjectsOpen=388855-50. The LDS have them listed in their catalog.


Thank you for writing, Tina. I wasn't aware that the LDS had any records for that area. My ancestors lived in the villages of Gontarze and Zbojna. They were in the county of Lomza. And the province is today called Podlaskie. Thanks again.
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Post Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:30 am      Post subject:
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Aga Pawlus wrote:
David,

Welcome to our Forum!
Village Gontarze (https://goo.gl/maps/Jq9YBBd6aqR2), as well as
Zbójna ( https://goo.gl/maps/AMdSvCGz9kt) belonged to the parish in Nowogród.
There are vital records (indeed only from 1891) available in the State Archives in Łomża: http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/search?q=Nowogr%C3%B3d%20XTYPEro%3Apra

The older records might be available in the parish or in the diocese archives in Łomża.

Nowogród is the cultural centre of Kurpie region, so you should definitely visit also teh Kurpie Ethnographic Park in Nowogród.

If you need any assistance with your tour, feel free to contact as to [email protected] or just fill in short Genealogy Tour request form: http://polishorigins.com/tour-request/

Good luck with your research!
Agnieszka


Thank you very much for the information, Agnieszka! Several weeks ago I contacted the church in Nowogród. The priest was very helpful and generous, officially inviting me there. I look forward to my visit. I haven't been able to get a hold of anyone at the church in Zbójna, but I'll be going there too.

Since my original post, I have learned that there was only one civil census taken in the Russian Partition of Poland during that time period, which was in 1897. Hopefully the questionnaire taken from my family's households still exists. Supposedly many were destroyed.

The state archives Łomża branch said I can stop by without an appointment, but I'm not sure about the diocese archives. I'll have to write them back and ask if I can visit. When I made an inquiry, they referred me to the church.

My tour will be self-guided as I am on a very tight budget. If I was able to, I would certainly consider your services.

Thanks again. I appreciate it.

Kindest regards,
David S.
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Tina Ellis



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Post Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:38 am      Post subject: Re: Records for Lomza
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cedarlakeinn wrote:
Tina Ellis wrote:
The LDS have some records for Lomza, for some parishes in that area. Did your family definitely live in the city of Lomza, county of Lomza or province of Lomza? That makes a big difference. https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=64957&query=%2Bplace%3A%22Poland%2C%20Bia%C5%82ystok%2C%20%C5%81om%C5%BCa%22&subjectsOpen=388855-50. The LDS have them listed in their catalog.


Thank you for writing, Tina. I wasn't aware that the LDS had any records for that area. My ancestors lived in the villages of Gontarze and Zbojna. They were in the county of Lomza. And the province is today called Podlaskie. Thanks again.
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Post Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:24 am      Post subject: Discoveries
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Well, I found out that records for my family's village of Gontarze are not available at the archives branch in Lomza or Bialystok. They claimed that Kolno was the area the village was linked to, and they don't keep records there. I was told that any records that would have existed were likely destroyed. They also said the 1897 census would not have covered that area. I find all of that very hard to believe. I'm absolutely heartbroken that I couldn't find out more. They were at least able to find some church records for me from Zbojna. It wasn't a total loss.
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:59 am      Post subject:
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I have been following the questions concerning Lomza. I too have not been able to find my father's records since he was born in 1917 in Lomza. The Lomza offices and Bialystok offices were not helpful. If anyone finds census records I would love to be notified. Also if you know where I can find draft lists for the Russian army (cavalry Division), it can help me find the correct spelling of my father's name. I believe there was no Poland at the time of his draft which was 1940 or 41. Although he considered himself Polish, Lomza was in turmoil and I have difficulties finding out if Lomza was Polish, German or Russian during the time period he lived there. I believe when he went to primary school, Lomza may have been Russian so that is why he knew Russian. He also worked on his father's farm for many years but the Lomza offices said they cannot give out information on land ownership or leases.

Thanks for reading,
Halina Repp (Hoderewski, Hodyrewski, Hodyrevsky, Hodirewski), (Iwan, Ivan?) on and on. These spelling are from the IRO records while in Linz Austria displaced persons camp. My family would really like to know the true spelling of our name.

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Ivan Hoderewski
His father Alexsander, Mother Anna Djubina, brother Pawel & Piotr, Sister Luba & Antonia. Lived Lomza, Sluzk , Perm Ivan drafted Russian cavalry spent time stalag I3D stalag 2D. Linz Austria Ellis Island 1952. US Pennsylvania.
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Tina Ellis



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Post Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:58 am      Post subject:
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I have a suggestion. Go to this website to see if you can find any records: http://www.geneteka.genealodzy.pl/.

I ran a search using only the letters Choder in Ukraine. I found names like Choderowski/a, Choderski/a. You mentioned Austria, and they used to rule that area. You may want to try some of the southern Poland border provinces also. Also try Hoder. Parts of names help, if you are unsure of its spelling.

There a marriage for a Rozalia Chodarewska to Jakub Kupicewicz in Belarus. That is that closest I could find, but I did not do a thorough search. Trying to give tips so you and run your own searches.

Since Iwan (Jan in Polish) was born in 1917, it is unlikely that you will find his records unless the archives have listed that year for a parish. Where I am searching the most recent I have found in the Poland archives is for 1914. It won't be 100 years until 1917. On the Geneteka site these are only partial lists, but they could give you clues on where you may wnat to concentrate searching. Keep notes on the countries and parishes.

This is the site for the archives: https://szukajwarchiwach.pl/. For them you need to have your ancestors religion and exact parish to search. But you can spot check, if you have the time and energy.

Hope this helps you some. Happy hunting.

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