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rsowa
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:11 pm Post subject: Lipnica Murowana Map

This map came from http://www.lipniczanin.pl/historia/ While an interesting map, it's not very legible because of it's small size.

I've done a lot of web searching but can't find a better image. I would prefer to have one where the writing is more legible. Can anyone point me to a place where I can find a larger image? Or lacking that, translate the legend?

Thanks in advance,
Richard

Agnieszka Pawlus
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:04 am Post subject:

Richard,

I have found such map from 70's:

source: http://lipnicamurowana.pl/archiwum/lokalidojazd.htm#

There is also short article about Lipnica Murowana on our blog: http://blog.polishorigins.com/2013/08/07/lipnica-murowana/

Aga

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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:13 am Post subject:

Richard,

Concerning the legend from your map:

The map title: The center of Lipnica Murowana, map from 1847, presenting buildings after the fire from 1828.

Legend:
- build-up area
- city walls
- the row and river
- the bridge

On the left side of the map you have the list of all street names, which is interesting, as I am not sure if they are being used nowadays (I could not find it on any contemporary map of Lipnica).

rsowa
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:53 am Post subject:

Aga...thanks...I had seen that larger map also. But it doesn't label anything so it is hard to make much sense out of. I know the church in the upper right corner is Kościół św. Leonarda, which still exists.

Also, the list on the left...are you sure those are all street names? Some appear to be something else...

3. Szewska = shoemaker
12. Szkolna = school
17. garbarska = tannery

The reason I am so interested in the details, is that several generations of my Polek and Kuc ancestors were born, lived and died there. The baptismal records I found also include their house number #15. If I could identify that house, it would be wonderful!

I know the village was mostly destroyed during WWI and probably again during WWII, but I am sure some of it still is the same.

Thanks,
Richard

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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:38 am Post subject:

Richard,

All of the 3 churches marked on the map exist still in Lipnica Murowana: the smallest one located on the cemetery is St. Leonard's Church (the one on UNESCO list). The big, gothic church, north from the main square is St. Andrew's Church (this is the main parish in Lipnica) and the third one, north-east from the square (inside the town walls) is the church of St. Simon from Lipnica.

Yes, I am sure that these are the street names. In fact they are very typical for all medieval towns:

shoemaker is in Polish szewc that is why there is Szewska street
schooll = szkoła and there is Szkolna street
tannery = garbarnia and there is Garbarska street

some others are:
Kowalska street (kowal = blacksmith)
Garncarska street (garncarz = potter)
Zarzeczna street (= street beyond the river)
Kościelna street (kościół = church)
etc.

Unfortunately I haven't found this image in better quality.

Have you tried to look at Lipnica on Mapire project?

http://mapire.eu/en/map/collection/firstsurvey/?zoom=15&lat=49.86081&lon=20.52543

This is the old military Austrian map overlaying the contemporary Google Map (unfortunately in case of Lipnica this is not very accurate).

jackiewisniewski

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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:18 pm Post subject:

Hi Richard,

I think I have just what you're looking for! I looked for the same thing myself a few years ago, and I wrote to the Municipal Office in Lipnica Murowana. They sent me back some screen shots to a website where my ancestor's homes were circled (I provided the numbers to them first). If the building is still around and you can find it, considering how few roads there are it shouldn't be too hard to match up the map with google, then using street view you can get a good look at it. Smile

Here's the site, they even have instructions in English! http://miip.geomalopolska.pl

One of my cousins also sent me this link to a virtual tour, another gem of a find! http://lipnicamurowana.wkraj.pl/#/25667/0

Jackie

rsowa
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:33 pm Post subject:

Jackie...THANKS!!! I'd seen the virtual tour before. But with your link to the geomalopolska site, I was able to locate the house number 15 where my ancestors lived in the mid 1800s. I assume that the numbers haven't changed in the 150 years since they were there, but who knows. Since my ancestors were butchers, I suspect they lived right in town...just where the house number is.

That site can be addicting!

Thanks again,
Richard

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