Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:13 am
Post subject: The birthplace of my gggrandmother
I have an identity card, an excerpt of which is below.
Does anyone know what the birthplace listed here might be?
It looks a bit like Plotz Karbarrenia which I can't find any references to. Worth noting that she calls herself Russian Polish and was born in 1864, so not sure if that helps.
Note that her son lists himself as coming from "Bosinova" which Gilberto has already helpfully pointed out could be Bocianowo. They may well be close.
Note that I found this link - could it be the place listed here? Surely if it was in current day Germany she wouldn't be listed as Russian / Polish?
Louis
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:46 am
Post subject: Ploty
Someone's just pointed out that it could be Ploty
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/P%C5%82oty,+Poland/@53.2578902,15.3314045,7z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x47008a088992d79b:0x363fe66be7f74c6
However, if someone was born in this place in 1846, would they say they were Russian Polish? I don't know the history of that area very well but having had a quick look, Pomerania seems to have been part of Prussia at that time .
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:43 am
Post subject: Re: The birthplace of my gggrandmother
| Louisbean wrote: | I have an identity card, an excerpt of which is below.
Does anyone know what the birthplace listed here might be?
It looks a bit like Plotz Karbarrenia which I can't find any references to. Worth noting that she calls herself Russian Polish and was born in 1864, so not sure if that helps.
Note that her son lists himself as coming from Bocianowo which Gilberto has already helpfully pointed out could be Bocianowo. They may well be close.
Note that I found this link - could it be the place listed here? Surely if it was in current day Germany she wouldn't be listed as Russian / Polish?
Louis |
It is Plock gubernia (=province).
http://www.pgsa.org/images/Atlas/56.Plocki.jpg
and also
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/poland/Q2.htm
and
http://www.jewishgenealogy.com.ar/plock/ancestors_l.html
Gilberto
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:08 am
Post subject: Thanks!
That's great - very much appreciate it.
You mentioned earlier the place Bocianowo - there are two of these, one I think is near / in the current city of Bydgoszcz, would this have been in this region at the time? I've tried figuring it out but am struggling!
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Elzbieta PorteneuvePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:23 am
Post subject: Re: The birthplace of my gggrandmother
| Louisbean wrote: | I have an identity card, an excerpt of which is below.
Does anyone know what the birthplace listed here might be?
It looks a bit like Plotz Karbarrenia which I can't find any references to. Worth noting that she calls herself Russian Polish and was born in 1864, so not sure if that helps.
Note that her son lists himself as coming from Bocianowo which Gilberto has already helpfully pointed out could be Bocianowo. They may well be close.
Note that I found this link - could it be the place listed here? Surely if it was in current day Germany she wouldn't be listed as Russian / Polish?
Louis |
Louis,
The Polish toponyms starting with "Karb" "Kerb" or "Korb" are few, I did not find anything fitting "Karbarrenia" in the old geography book:
Karb:
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_III/833
Kerb:
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_III/951
Korb:
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_IV/392
Then I had quite a daring idea, related to the fact that your identity card has been written in English, in the US
http://polishorigins.com/forum/files/birthplace_625.jpg
"Płocka Gubernia" (with Polish spelling) sounds like "Plotz Karbarrenia" to an English speaking clerc.
"Płocka Gubernia" is Płock Governorate.
[which is actually the US method even today: a person born in Paris, France is said "born in France"].
So far it is my best guess.
Best,
Elzbieta
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:31 am
Post subject: Thank you!
Thank you Elzbieta, Gilberto agrees with you and I think that does sound like it's the right answer. Thanks so much!
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