Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:48 am
Post subject: Translation request-Civil birth record in German
Looking for someone that can read/translate handwritten German from a civil birth record from the Prussian partition. I can translate the typed form, as I found those from an earlier post on this site.
I am curious as to the notes in the right margin, where the father's name appears. That name does not appear on the main form, and the margin notes appear to be 2 years later, if I am reading it correctly.
The child is my grandmother, and I have previously located the Parish record of this event from LDS films. This one came from the State Archives at http://www.szukajwarchiwach.pl/
thanks
Dave
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:23 pm
Post subject: translation gestapo case file
Am looking for someone that could read and translate is German mixed with Polish a Gestapo case file which is large from the USMHM. Was told its unusual to have one so big. I will try to attach first page. Thanks Carol Tamara
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Elzbieta PorteneuvePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:58 pm
Post subject: Re: translation gestapo case file
| ctamara wrote: | | Am looking for someone that could read and translate is German mixed with Polish a Gestapo case file which is large from the USMHM. Was told its unusual to have one so big. I will try to attach first page. Thanks Carol Tamara |
Tamara,
The attached one page PDF file is circa 30 lines, with numbers and names. Nothing in German on that page.
Bachman Kazimierz
Bacławska Genowefa
Baczek Franciszek
Baczyński Agatopad
Basz Stanisław
Bagiński Jan
Bagiński Stanisław
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Best,
Elzbieta
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:59 pm
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Thanks Elzbieta..very kind of you. I was told 2 conflicting things about these papers. Is there more or less papers if they were/or are Jewish? Have you seen any papers like these?
Carol
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:11 pm
Post subject: translation German
Here is page 2 Carol
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Elzbieta PorteneuvePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:34 pm
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| ctamara wrote: | Thanks Elzbieta..very kind of you. I was told 2 conflicting things about these papers. Is there more or less papers if they were/or are Jewish? Have you seen any papers like these?
Carol |
Carol,
On the second page, BaczekB, line 6 it is written Rom-Kath, Roman Catholic.
I have no idea about the whole document (German form), do not know the date of it, but this single page with Baczek Franciszek [line3: Kaki-Mrooski, gmina Krzynowloga Mala, powiat Przasnysz] says Roman-Catholic (line6) and Polen (Polish) (line7).
Best,
Elzbieta
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SophiaPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:50 am
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Hi Carol,
Page 2 seems to be a very basic form to collect personal info.
Line 4, Beruf = profession and the answer is Arbeiter = worker.
Line 5, Geburtstag = birthday and the answer is 15.10.od.11.1920 which means the 15th of October or November, 1920. Geburtsort = place of birth, hard for me to read
Line 8, Familienstand = marital status and the answer is ledig = single
Line 8b, Nationale und Wohnungsort des Vaters = nationality and place where father lives and the answer is Jan Baczek, Worker, deceased.
Line 8c, same as above but for mother, answer is Stefania, maiden name Kolakowska, widow. Again, the place names are hard for me to read.
Hope this helps,
Sophia
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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:00 pm
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Thank you very much. please excuse mistakes as I have trouble typing. I am having difficulties with my speech system. Hopefully it will start to work better soon. Have you seen any gestapo files on the forum for translation? Carol
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SophiaPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:40 am
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Hi Carol,
Actually your typing is just fine, and it is no problem to overlook little typing errors anyway. Your papers from the Holocaust Museum are not something that I have ever seen before. Do you have a sense, from the museum, what kind of content you can expect to find in his file? Can you tell me a bit about just how large a file you have? Is it all on forms like the BaczekB(1) you posted? Is it mostly typed or mostly handwritten text? I am asking because I am wondering whether I can realistically help you or whether you would be better off finding a professional German-speaking genealogist. When a document is mostly responses on a printed form, it is not that difficult usually for me to figure some of it out. On the other hand, if it is long text, you would be much better off with a native speaker / professional translator. Many such people are available, for example through APGEN.org but you realize of course they work for a fee. The kind of translation work that I see here on this forum, from the Latin and Polish and Russian, is absolutely extraordinary to find with no fee attached. I cannot tell you how much I admire these people for doing it. So far, though, no one on here seems to be fluent in German. If this file is for someone you really want to research, then paying for the translation can be very much worth while (just my two cents).
Best of luck,
Sophia
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:59 am
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Thank you very much for your answer. I have asked my godchilds husband, who is German, speaks, reads and writes if he could help and he said he would. I sent a page but nothing as yet. Currently he works for Mercedes. Realistically this could be sensitive. The Museum sent 32 attachments and they said most files are not that extensive. he said this looks complete.Your advice is much appreciated. Where do you reside? I live in WV. Thanks again. Carol
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SophiaPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:23 pm
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Hi again Carol,
I re-read your earlier comments on this thread, and I do not think that the length of the Baczek file has anything to do with whether or not Franciszek was Jewish. Indeed it seems that he was not; based on what Elzbieta read, he was Roman Catholic. There were many other groups of people who suffered at the hands of the Gestapo, as I am sure you are well aware.
I do hope that your godchild's husband has the chance to help you with this. It seems as though you would prefer to keep these papers "in the family" at least until you know what the content is, and he seems to be your best chance of doing that. If you don't mind my saying so, genealogy often touches on sensitive issues, and we as genealogists need to look bravely and compassionately at the truths of peoples' lives. That really is the best gift we can give our ancestors, beyond the simple fact of remembering them.
Wishing you all the best,
Sophia
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