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Cheri Vanden Berg
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: POW Jan Lenart

At this site http://straty.pl/index.php/en/search-in-database
I learned more about my great uncle, Jan Lenart, who was a POW during WWII:
(Zaluczne was spelled wrong)

DANE OSOBOWE

nazwisko Lenart
inne nazwiska
imię Jan
imie ojca Klemens
nazwisko panieńskie matki Babicz
data urodzenia 1911-07-22
miejsce urodzenia Zanczne
miejsce zamieszkania przed wojną adres rodziny:Lenart Klemens, Zanczne, Kr. Nowy Targ, Pr. Kraków

INFORMACJE O PRZEŚLADOWANIACH

Źródło: Sygnatura: WAST-St.IVA,l.863Centralne Muzeum Jeńców Wojennych w Łambinowicach Opolu
uczestnik walk Kampania wrześniowa 1939
przydział wojskowy 1. Geb.Jäger.R.
stopień wojskowy Schütze
jeniec wojenny brak informacji
miejsce wzięcia do niewoli Tłumacz
data wzięcia do niewoli 1939-09-19
figuruje na stanie obozu Stalag IV A
oboz jeniecki IV B
miejsce osadzenia Elsterhorst
numer jeniecki 13799
jeniec wojenny brak informacji
data wzięcia do niewoli 1941-01-28
oboz jeniecki Stalag IV E

Cheri Vanden Berg
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:41 pm Post subject: Wesołych Świąt i szczęśliwego Nowego Roku

People I’ve “met” on PolishOrigins have given me the best gift this year. I started out only knowing my grandmother’s parents names, and now I’ve learned the names of her Lenart ancestors 4 more generations back (see page 1 of this forum for an update), and other ancestors as well.

I became a member in the middle of October, and immediately Ute thought she found my grandmother, Aniela Lenart from Zaluczne on a ship list, and kept helping find what information she could. Then Shellie found Aniela’s father Klemens on a committee to build a church in Zaluczne. It turned out that wasn’t my grandmother, but I would learn that the village was the one I was looking for.

It amazed me when I shared my photos that Shellie recognized the Odrowaz church in one of them Then Shellie found that a photo sent to my grandmother, matched a photo that her cousin had gotten from a cousin on her trip to Poland. This member, babblingbrook had videotaped the Odrowaz cemetery, and found my great grandparents gravestones. That meant a great deal to me.

I benefited greatly by those who had traveled to the place of my ancestors. Shellie knew of an expert on the history of the area, and kindly wrote to Zenon on my behalf, who contacted Krzysztof. Zenon then took the time to translate the information. They found the home of my grandmother!! Of course this is what I was searching for, but it surprised me exactly how much it had meant to finally know. I don’t know that words can convey how much it has touched my heart.

I appreciate everyone that has shared something at PolishOrigins, because we can all learn more about our ancestors from each other. I appreciate the letters, photos, stories, blogs, forums of the places where our ancestors lived - everything. I do have many more questions about my ancestors, but now I know exactly where to look! Bless you all!

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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Group trip to Poland

Cheri Vanden Berg wrote:

I'm going to attach one of my favorite pictures. My Busia had told my sisters and I that it was it was 3 of her sisters. When my mom looked at it recently, she thought it was a picture of my Busia's sister and her two daughters. I don't know who is right, but I think the woman in the middle looks young, though married because of the scarf?
Cheri

I think your mother is right and the photo was taken for somebody who stayed away for a longer time (husband in America?). The old family pictures were mostly taken with parents sitting in between. The scarf says that woman is already married; in addition her clothes aren't that colourful as the both young ladies around her. Means, she didn't want to be a subject (object) for the men in the vicinity, because she already had been married but the girls did. The clothes of young ladies and young men were one of the motivations to get marry with.
However the lady in the middle looks young, she is probably mother of two girls who might be only 14, 15 years younger than herself. I'd look for data who in the family (still in Poland) got married in the age about 15 -- it would probably be the lady in the middle of this wonderful picture.

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject:

Thank you for your comments Boy_dan. I have no doubt that there is a relative in Poland that can identify these 3 woman, and I look forward to finding relatives, and finding out the names of the women. There were ten children in my grandmother's family, roughly a 20 year difference in ages, so this explains the age difference.

After 10 years of looking on and off, thanks to a kind soul on the Poland-Roots mailing list, I now know how my grandmother Aniela Lenart was indexed at Ellis Island:
Seuard, Anieta [Lenart, Aniela], age 17, single. Last residence: Telngger. Austria. Polish. Ship: Kroonland. Port: Antwerp.
Departure: August 9, 1913. Manifest line 0020. Arrived New York August 18, 1913. Going to uncle Josef Bielanski 1811 17th St. Chicago, Illinois. Contact in Zaluczne father Klemens Lenart.
I have been helping to work on the Zaluczne emigrant database that Ute started, and continues to work on:
http://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=1107
I am so very happy to be able to add my grandmother's name. I had come up with about 50 different indexed spellings for Zaluczne, but Telngger?! Aniela Lenart's last place of residence does look like Zaluczne in the cursive writing if you know what you are looking for.

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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:21 am Post subject:

Cheri Vanden Berg wrote:

After 10 years of looking on and off, thanks to a kind soul on the Poland-Roots mailing list, I now know how my grandmother Aniela Lenart was indexed at Ellis Island:
Seuard, Anieta [Lenart, Aniela], age 17, single. Last residence: Telngger. Austria. Polish. Ship: Kroonland. Port: Antwerp.
Departure: August 9, 1913. Manifest line 0020. Arrived New York August 18, 1913. Going to uncle Josef Bielanski 1811 17th St. Chicago, Illinois. Contact in Zaluczne father Klemens Lenart.
I have been helping to work on the Zaluczne emigrant database that Ute started, and continues to work on:
http://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=1107
I am so very happy to be able to add my grandmother's name. I had come up with about 50 different indexed spellings for Zaluczne, but Telngger?! Aniela Lenart's last place of residence does look like Zaluczne in the cursive writing if you know what you are looking for.
From the information I have been given, either Klemens Lenart was an only child, or he had a sister, but she didn't marry a Bielanski, so I think that Josef Bielanski might have been married to a sister of Aniela's mother Magdalena Babicz Lenart.

Wow, this is really a big step forward! Although passenger records are no doubt a valuable source of genealogical information and often the only help in locating our ancestors’ origins and destinations, in many instances names, origins, and destinations are misspelled and distorted to such an extent that it requires a lot of patience, persistence, some familiarity with common Polish names, and often a good portion of phantasy to use them. That's why I started last year transcribing passenger lists of emigrants from particular villages (now with your valuable help with the Zaluczne database) and to propose alternate spellings where given name, last name, last place of residence, or destination may be misspelled in the hopes that it will help others in uncovering their ancestors’ origins, destinations, and perhaps even family connections. I'm so happy, Cheri, that you finally found your grandmother Aniela Lenart at Ellis Island, and I hope the information given in the passenger record will be useful to you in your future research.
Ute

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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:17 pm Post subject:

I think you are wrong about the last residence meaning Telngger. There is no word about it in manifest but Załuczne. The same is about her contact in Europe: father Klemens Lenard, Załuczne Gal. (Gal is for Galicja, Polish and Ukrainian then-part of Austro-Hungarian Empire). No Telngger.
Somebody had made mistake rewriting the manifest.

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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: Załuczne not Telngger

Yes, thank you, I think that it says Załuczne too, and that is the village where people at PolishOrigins have helped me to learn that my grandmother Aniela Lenart was from. The last residence Telngger was written in the INDEX at the Ellis Island site. This is what someone thought the handwritten Załuczne was. It's easier for someone familiar with Załuczne to see that it does say Załuczne . I was really suprised though, because I don't see how the person that indexed saw two of the the letter g towards the end of the village name. There was only one loop for the z towards the end. I think that in this case the person that indexed it at the pay website Ancestry.com came closer to the right spelling, and that is where Ruth found it for me, and then she looked at how it was indexed at Ellis Island so I could look it up for free there. I had never tried looking for my grandmother at Ancestry.com. The Ellis Island site is both wonderful and frustrating, and that is why I'm trying to help find Załuczne emigrants whose surname or village name is indexed incorrectly. I want other people to be as lucky as I have been when they are searching for their ancestors. Thank you again.

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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:03 am Post subject:

I have been disappointed that the LDS have not filmed the church records of Odrowąż and Załuczne after finally finding out the village my grandmother was born in. If you've read Shellie's story, you know that didn't stop her - she hopped on a plane to Poland, and went on a PolishOrigins tour. I know that many of us can't do that, but I also know that there are records to be had. Led by Shellie, a small group of us that have ancestors from the Odrowąż and Załuczne area have pitched in for birth records from the Krakow Archives. I have found at least 2 more ancestors from these records, so I wanted to give an update. Kunegunda Jasien Lenart's (my 4th great grandmother ) father is Szymon Jasien. My 4th great grandmother Anna Lenart Fitak's father is Jakub Lenart.

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 11:15 am Post subject: Re: passenger record

[quote="Ute"]

Cheri Vanden Berg wrote:

I found more Lenart emigrants from Odrowaz, Zaluczne, and Dlugopole: A Vincent Lenart from Odrowaz, two Lenarts from Zaluczne -- Lenart, Maria and Lenart, Jan – and a Lenart, Antoinette (married name), born abt 1882 in Dlugopole (the village my paternal grandfather’s mother came from) who passed away in Chicago in 1944. I don't know if and how the families are related, and if they are related to your family at all, but here is the detailed information:

Lenart, Vincent, 19 years old in 1907, single, farm laborer, traveled to the US on board of the SS ‘Rhein’ that left Bremen, Germany on February 16, 1907 and arrived in New York on March 4, 1907. His place of birth and last residence were Odrowaz, his destination in the US was Chicago where he was going to join his father Kazimierz Lenart at 766, 22th Street.

Lenart, Maria, 18 years old in 1907, single, traveled to the US on board of the SS ‘Kronprinz Wilhem’ that left Bremen, Germany on July 2, 1907 and arrived in New York on July 10, 1907. Her place of birth was Zaluczne, her last residence abroad was with her mother Rozalia Lenart in Zaluczne, her destination in the US was Chicago where she was going to join her brother-in-law Jan Feiko or Fecko at 822, 18th Street.

Lenart, Jan, 17 years old in 1914, farm laborer, traveled to the US on board of the SS ‘Kaiser Wilhelm II’ that left Bremen, Germany on April 21, 1914 and arrived in New York on Apr 28, 1914. His place of birth was Zaluczne, last residence abroad was with his sister Rozalia Jasien in Zaluczne, his destination in the US was Chicago where he was going to join his father Wincenty Lenart at 1758, W. 18th Street.

Source: New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924

Name: Antonette Tenart Or Lenart
Titles and Terms (original):
Death Date: 27 Aug 1944
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Female
Marital Status:
Race or Color:
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: 1882
Birth Date:
Birthplace: Dlugopole, Poland
Father:
Father's Titles and Terms (original):
Father's Birth Place: Dlugopole, Poland
Mother:
Mother's Titles and Terms (original):
Mother's Birth Place: Dlugopole, Poland
Occupation: Housewife
Residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Street Address:
Spouse: Frank
Spouse's Titles and Terms (original):
Spouse's Birthplace:
Burial Date: 31 Aug 1944
Burial Place: Niles, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery: St. Adalberts
Informant:
Additional Relatives:
Digital Folder Number: 4205884
Image Number: 1881
Film Number: 1983251
Volume/Page/Certificate Number: rn 24270.

Source: Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947 for Antonette Tenart Or Lenart

I also found information on a Vincent Lenart, Born 15 Mar 1887, Birthplace: Zaluczne, Father: Casimir Lenart, Father's Birth Place: Zaluczne, Mother: Angeline Kowal, Mother's Birth Place: Zalucyne, Poland:
Name: Vincent Lenart
Death Date: 23 Aug 1935
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: 1887
Birth Date: 15 Mar 1887
Birthplace: Zaluczne, Poland
Father: Casimir Lenart
Father's Birth Place: Zaluczne, Poland
Mother: Angeline Kowal
Mother's Birth Place: Zalucyne, Poland
Occupation: Laborer
Residence: Chicago, Illinois
Street Address:
Spouse: Mary
Spouse's Titles and Terms (original):
Spouse's Birthplace:
Burial Date: 28 Aug 1935
Burial Place: Justice, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery: Resurrection

Source: www.FamilySearch.org, Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947 for Vincent Lenart, Digital Folder Number: 4153272 Image Number: 721 Film Number: 1926670 Volume/Page/Certificate Number: rn 23126

There is more info, too much to post here ...
Ute

There hasn't been too much activity in this thread lately and perhaps this is already "old information" but I figured I would share what I know.
Vincent Lenart who arrived in 1907 and went to his father Kazimierz in Chicago was the son of Kazimierz Lenart & Aniela Masnica. That is the same Vincent Lenart who was mentioned in the death record in 1935. His mother's name in listed incorrectly as Angeline Kowal. His spouse was Mary Kowalczyk, who was my 1st cousin, twice removed; ie. my grandfather's 1st cousin.
Maria Lenart who arrived in 1907 was the daughter of Stefan Lenart & Rosalia Gal. She was going to her brother-in law, John Feczko who was married to Bronislawa Lenart. Bronislawa died in 1907 and John remarried to Carolina Golak, who are relatives in Ute's family tree. Maria herself married John Kozera 5/14/1911 at Sacred Heart of Jesus Church in Chicago. Maria also had a brother, Frank, who married Magdalena Grela 11/1/1901 at St Adalbert Church in Chicago.

The death record for Antonette Tenart/Lenart: Her maiden name was Antonina Kowalkowski and she married Frank Lenart, the son of Mathias Lenart & Rosalia Jasien 5/30/1906 at St. Adalbert Church.
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