Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:02 am
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Thank you Starkey. It does let me type ship name in when I do as you said. Should come in use next time I can't find an arrival record. There are a lot of misspellings in these records.
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Elzbieta PorteneuvePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:10 am
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Lynn, all,
Firts, an easy one, Anton Maluchnik is heading to Astoria, the added LI NY, is for Long Island
http://polishorigins.com/forum/files/antonmaluchnikarrivalorgin_146.png
After browsing originals:
(1) PL is right, no Colund, no Hunt, all names are "Poland"
(2) the record from NY:
http://polishorigins.com/forum/files/august_maluchnik_ny_voyage_423.jpg
I wonder if the line with name starts with "L" (it implies "Ł" too), or with "Z".
- "L"; the same letter is in line 8, Teofil Kosnowsky, from Ługi, in column 16 is uncle Leon; Line 11, Lewy; line 29, Maciej Lechnowsky
- "Z"; the only Z I see is line 29, however I cannot decipher the name
If you search with http://mapa.szukacz.pl/
- with Lom* (they allow for jokers, letters are modulo diacritics, which is fantastic service)
then take into account only Poland, you will see a dozen of places in former Russian partition, the bigest being Łomża, Łomno, Łomna, Łomnica, Łomia, Łomazy, etc.
- with Zom* nothing
- with Zem* or Zam* another two dozens of places in former Russian partition
(3) the record from Hambourg:
http://polishorigins.com/forum/files/august_maluchnik_hamburg_voyage_640.jpg
Your Maluchnik is on the right side, in line 46. In the column 8, you see above him a family from Ciechanow?, and it is clear that the end of many words is approximate.
Here the fist letter is written in such a way, that we know it's "Ł" or "Z" or "Ż" only (L is eliminated).
Then we can see a fellow passenger Lechnowsky Maciej // Leschensky in line above Ciechanow?, and his "L" in name differs from our first letter. But his first letter of place (supposed "Z" in NY record) is identical to "our".
We can see another fellow passenger, Kosnowsky Teofil, on the felt side, line 1, from Ługi - the first letter of "Ługi" differs from "our" first letter.
Therefore I think it's "Z". Then we have only two dozen of "Zem" or "Zam" to consider 
Best,
Elzbieta
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:26 am
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Thanks again. I think that that August's origin is Zembrus, just as Maryanna Maluchnik's was. That August however is not the same August as mine, he lists his father as a Franc/Frank, mine and his sister Maryanna list there's as an Anton. He probably is a cousin but not been able to find anything to link them together. On the other page I listed a bunch of stuff on why they are different ones. Sorry for the confusion, there are just way too many similar Maluchniks of first name and age. I have not been able to find my August's arrival record. August's obit is here: http://newspaperarchive.com/us/pennsylvania/monessen/monessen-daily-independent/1948/10-18/page-2 so I know I am at least correct on August, Stanley and Maryanna being siblings. I have not so far been able to find an arrival record for my August.
However oddly enough Stanley's seems to say something completely different for point of orgin then his sister Maryanna's. I'm pretty sure these are the right 2 records as they both mention a father Anton and a brother August elsewhere in the records. I have linked Stanley and Maryanna's point of origins below. Also Anthony Maluchnik's I can't make out his point of origin either, but there looks like a usa at the end of his, perhaps Zembrus mispelled? I'll upload his again for quicker comparing. I'm not sure why Stanley and his sister would have a different origin. Perhaps whatever Stanley's is was a town nearby Zembrus? Also I cannot find any arrivals or departures for Anthony's brother Ludwig Maluchnik.
Also, I found an arrival for an older Anton Maluchnik, born 1871 arriving 24 Jan 1911 . So I wonder if this could be Stanleys and Maryanna's father, and perhaps August was a half brother to them, as he is too young to be Augusts father too. I was thinking perhaps their mother did what Anthony and Stanley's wife Margaret did and married 2 brothers. August was born 1882, Stanley 1892 and Maryanna 1894, so this would fit in age wise, it could also mean the August you guys found on the boat arrival could be my August, the age does fit. I'm probably grasping at straws here though because it would be pretty bizarre in addition to everything else, however it already all seems quite bizarre as is.
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starkey76
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:17 pm
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Lynn, don't let the first names of fathers being off discourage you. Many times I've found, those names are incorrect. Start trying to locate that town and records for them. It might all come together...maybe the father was Antoni Franciszek Maluchnik. I understand your struggles, but you do have a point of origin that possibly could tie it all together....I still can't find that for some of my family. In searching Przelenski's, I found that there were 2 brothers John and Frank, and Frank's middle name was John. Both men married a woman named Anna/Anne, and had 17 children between them. It took pulling dozens of death certificates/birth's/marriages/obituaries/cemeteries/etc to narrow down the lineage correctly. Despite mapping their families, neither ever gave a definitive place like you have. You were lucky enough to find Hamburg records, which I never found(everyone went through Bremen), and being closer to 1900, the immigration records were actually asking incoming people their last residence. In 1880's, the passenger records are very vague, and say last residence is Germany/Poland/Prussia/or my favorite Europe. Don't give up
John
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:42 am
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Thanks Starkey, I'll keep that in mind, though I do think do to census data they are likely different. More research is needed, that's for sure.
Glad you were able to narrow your family's genealogy down like that, it gives me hope. I'm going to start saving every document of a maluchnik person who seems a possible relative, so I can continue researching when my ancestry subscription runs out this month.
I have a possible relative that arrived from bremen too, a Marijanna Maluchnik. They did ask for a friends name, but that was 1913. Unfortunately I cannot find the actual part where it says that on the scanned document, only that it says that on the indexed page. There must be another page but I searched via ship like you told me about and couldn't find it. I though she might be a cousin because she's too old to be the Maryanna who is his sister. I do think a lot of these ship records are confusing, I wish they had all the pages linked together somehow. Not to mention how hard some of them are to read!
I will also see about locating any records, however I think Magroski49 said they weren't online for that part of poland yet. It seems polish ancestry is a lot harder to research then others. I've also got german, hungarian and italian ancestry and those have not nearly given me as much trouble. Although I guess technically I've still got some research to do in the united states on this line. I'm going to order Stanley and Margarets marriage certificate, hopefully I'll get lucky and there will be some other Maluchnik's as witness on it.
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starkey76
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:31 pm
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Lynn,
Here's the 1913 for Marijanna Maluchnik, including page 2. She's on line 20 of both pages. Looks like on the 1st page it says her mother was A? Maluchnik living in Zarsiub? Plock. Sorry, that cursive is wicked, and hard to read. On page 2, it definitely says she was gong to meet her brother Stan Maluchnik at 1525(maybe) Mulbury Ave in Pitts PA. Don't know if you've ever run across that address for Stanley or anyone else?
John
Edit: the mother's location of Plock, might help you narrow down which spelling Zambrius, or whatever it is.
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:39 pm
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Thanks, I see it now. So confusing, I've found a pittsburg Stanley before in some census and I think he was the one in one of the ship records I first found that you guys helped me determine wasn't him. I don't think he's my Stanley. There's about 3 different Stanley Maluchniks close in age who lived in or headed to PA. As well as all the other multiples of people. You'd think Maluchnik was as popular as the name Smith. Though really not that many come up in search, however it is misspelled commonly. I'm probably going to have to go through a lot of records, especially census manually just to find some of them. I'm not sure what's worse having a hard to search name or something like Smith lol.
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starkey76
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starkey76
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:23 pm
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This is the marriage scan, not sure why the link wouldn't work. Someone on this site should be able to translate it for you, I'm not good with Russian/Cyrillic. Should give you some bearing on their age and parents, or if they had married previously.
John
Edit:
This might be his birth record from 1864 #26. and maybe his mother Rozalia's birth in 1835 #23. Once translated from Latin or Polish(not sure), it should line up the ages, or not.
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starkey76
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:24 pm
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Thanks, that was sure a great find! It's her because on Mary Maluchnik's death certificate it has her maiden name as Orlender. Have found no evidence of Jan/John JR though, perhaps he died young. And thank you for the additional finds!
Not sure still though how I determine John'/Jan's relation to my Maluchnik's (no Antoni's, Stanislaw's or Maryanna's) come up in the searches on that site. will shift through manually in case first name search is broke or they are mispelled. Since they lived in PA and have last name Maluchnik as well as the Soloski connection possibly and all the similar names with the children I'm sure there must be some relation. I guess I'll search for botched spellings on Maluchnik and see if Jan had any brothers like an Anton or a Frank. I'm assuming he did and that that would make everything make sense.
As for Zaraby, you may be right. Although I believe at least one record we found that was for sure one of my Maluchnik's clearly said Zembrus in the scanned manifest. It's possible mine are from Zembrus and the other Maluchnik's are cousins a town over. I will have to check how close Zaraby and Zembrus are to each other.
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starkey76
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:02 pm
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Lynn, if Rozalia is Jan's mother, and her father is named Augustyn, this is probably his birth.
http://www.geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?rid=B&from_date=1808&to_date=1808&search_lastname=maluchnik&search_lastname2=&rpp1=0&bdm=B&w=07mz&op=gt&lang=pol
And maybe his 1st and 2nd marriage? Not sure if they are the same. Looking at more of it, I would say they are not.
http://www.geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?rid=S&from_date=1827&to_date=1835&search_lastname=maluchnik&search_lastname2=&exac=1&rpp1=0&bdm=S&w=07mz&op=gt&lang=pol
If Kajetan is Augustyn's father from Zaręby (pow. przasnyski), a few other children were had by Katejan and Rozalia Mikołayczak/Czwartek Marianna in 1811 and Rozalia in 1814.
Augustyn and Petronella Raymundowianka/Reymentowska/Rajmundowska had Rozalia in 1835, as well as Katarzyna in 1829, Marianna in 1841, Marta in 1832, Bartolemej in 1844, and Ewa in 1838 according to:
http://www.geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?rid=B&from_date=1827&to_date=1848&search_lastname=maluchnik&search_lastname2=&rpp2=50&rpp1=0&bdm=50&w=07mz&op=gt&exac=
Maybe a Katarzyna in 1847 also between them
Augustyn and Marianna Kruszewska appear to have had several children as well: Helena in 1844, Jozefa in 1835, leon in 1838, Michal in 1841, and Tomasz in 1847.
As for before 1820, there a few groups of parents that had multiple children, but nothing before 1808 in births. Hope that helps start the tree maybe.
John
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:13 am
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Thanks, I'll research all the names and see if I can find anything to link them. Also I got lucky recently when I uploaded my dna to familytreedna. It came up with a match who though they didn't have a tree, they had most distant ancestor listed as a meyer mutchnik b1870. So Mutchnik could be a botched spelling on Maluchnik, or even the original spelling and all the others are botched?
I ran common matches with them and got a lot more polish names. So I have to see if that connects with one of the names you found too. If my ancestors can't be linked to those names my thoughts are perhaps my dna matches ancestors can. One things for sure, thanks to all your and everyone else's here help and dna testing I am much closer to figuring this out then I was a month or so ago.
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:59 pm
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I got marriage and death record from the state a few days ago. I'm just more confused now. Apparently though Anthony and Stanley were brothers (I think). Anthony has no mother listed on his death record, only father. According to marriage record Stanley's parents are Anton Maluchnik and Carolina Krosky. Considering the American sounding names, I wonder if that means they immigrated. I have not been able to find any information on them. Also my grandfather and his twin were both born 9 months and 2 weeks after Anthony died, but Anthony was sick in hospital(I assume, record says he was attended to during those days) from March 14-March 22 1926 (when he died). My grandfather and his twin were born January 5, 1927 so I guess that those were some really late twins? Very odd.
Also Still not sure how all those other Maluchnik's connect. I thought Krosky might be a mistranslation of Solosky as the cursive of it looks somewhat like that, but no idea.
Still no clues as to why August's passenger manifest had a different father (Franz) listed and why there seems to be a census record of the sister he was traveling with living with said father that seems to support that. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVMW-7LR Of course I know obvious answer is the August on the boat wasn't him, but the arrival date on census records I know are him match the 1901 arrival date as well as origin and age both matching up. I think I'm even more confused now. Those records didn't clarify anything and I don't see how twins can be over 2 weeks premature in those days.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:53 am
Post subject: Re: Hit brick wall on my great grandfather
| Lyn1982 wrote: | I would like some genealogy information on the following people:
My great grandmother Margaret, she was born March 10, 1897 in Poland, according to census records and her ssdi. Margaret died Jan 1974 in New Hyde Park, Nassau, New York, USA. Unfortunately I don't know her maiden name.
Margaret married two men with the same last name, one sometime before 1919, the other on February 28, 1927 in Nassau, New York. The italiangen site shows her last name on her marriage to Stanley as Maluchnik, however I don't know if that could be because she married Anthony before him.
The guy she married first was Anthony Maluchnik. He was born March 24, 1885 in Russia/Poland according to his draft registration here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KXT1-VN9
The 2nd guy Stanley Maluchnik was born October 25, 1892 in Russia/Poland and died January, 1983 in Westbury, Nassau, New York, USA according to ssdi here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JBTX-V2F and draft registration here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K62S-335
I'm not sure what Anthony and Stanley's relation was, I assume they were brothers but they could be cousins instead.
I don't know which of them fathered my grandfather either. My grandfather Stanley JR was born on January 5, 1927, which is a month before Margret married Stanley so I don't know if they married because Anthony died and Stanley wanted to take care of his brothers/cousins/whatever kids and thought marrying Margaret was the right thing to do, or if Margaret left Anthony for Stanley or what.
I have found Census data from 1920-1940 and it lists Anthony as the father of all the children in 1920 and 1925 census and in 1930 and 1940 census it lists Stanley as the father of all the children.
There is no one in my family who knows anything about Anthony, but I have not ever talked to any second cousins and Stanley obviously would've been just a baby or not born when he died/left and perhaps the siblings were told to keep quiet about him.
Any help at all or if anyone can find a marriage record of Anthony and Margaret (I'm unsure where and when they married, if it was in Nassau where they lived after leaving Poland, or Poland.) Or any record of Anthony or Stanleys birth to determine their exact kinship to each other as well as who their parents were, it would help as well. A death record for Anthony is something I'd like as well, but I believe he most likely died at war overseas and that there exists no such record, or that he and Margaret divorced, although in that case I would think some death record for a later time period would be turning up. I also can find no such place as Zemdru, Presnis, Russia which is listed as Stanleys birth place on his draft registration.
I've also tried to find Stanly's ellis island record, but I'm unable to determine which of 2 records is him. Here are the two I have found:
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAxMjEwMTIwMjY4Ijs=/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAwNjM1MTQwMjg2Ijs=/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==
I believe these two are Anthonys ellis island records (they might not be age is off by over 5 years):
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiNTAwMDAwMDI0OTk3Ijs=/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAxMDY0MDMwMzcxIjs=/czo5OiJwYXNzZW5nZXIiOw==
If it helps any, these are all the census's I have of the family:
1940: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KQY7-KJV
1930: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X781-GL8
1925: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KSHM-GLS (need to be subscriber of ancestry to view, I saw it back when I was and it reads like this):
North Hempstead, Nassau, New York
Central Ave
Malucohnick, Anthony, head, w, m, 37, Poland, A (Alien), Carpenter, W
Malucohnick, Margaret, wife, w, f, 31, Poland, A, housework, o.a.
Malucohnick, Leon, son, w, m, X, U.S., C (Citizen), 90 days (inmate of an institution)
Malucohnick, Margaret, daug, w, f, 6, U.S., C, school
Malucohnick, Ida, daug, w, f, 3, U.S., C
1920 census: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MJGJ-TT1 |
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