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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 11:55 am
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here it is. Just trying to download index
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 12:02 pm
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This is the birth record of Zofia Zimnowodzka, daughter of Marianna.
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pam56
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 12:02 pm
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Sorry this is correct one no 182
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 12:13 pm
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This is the birth record of Zofia Sychowska, daughter of Władysław and Marianna Łukasiak.
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pam56
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 12:27 pm
Post subject: index
This is the index No 182 2nd down
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SophiaPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:25 pm
Post subject: Re: index
| pam56 wrote: | | This is the index No 182 2nd down |
Hi Pam,
Yes, the index confirms what Barb read for you in the record. It is for Zofia Sychowska. I can see how the handwriting would have given you hope that the surname was Szyszko. I am not seeing much of the name Szyszko in the Mlawa records, in fact only a few Szyszkowski; however, there are many Szyszko in other parishes in woj. Mazowieckie. So, adding that to what you wrote much earlier today, I think you may be right about Piotr being born (or at least baptized) elsewhere. It may be that they moved to Mlawa proper when he was at such a young age that he might have thought he always lived there.
What is the family lore about Piotr's mother? Did she die when he was younger, or during the war years?
Sophia
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:37 pm
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It appears that both of Piotr's parents died before February 1945. Unfortunately I found no documents in the annexes for the year 1923-24.
-Barb
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pam56
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 3:37 am
Post subject: Piot'r Mother
Sopia
In Piot's letter he states
"In Spring 1942 Germans came to our house......my Mother was crying non-stop."
So she was still alive in 1942.
Army Record in 1945 states that his Mother is dead.
Family Lore:
That Maria was shot by Germans
Piotr's Father Plato died when Piotr was a baby. His,[Piotrs] Uncle gave Maria a small plot of land to sustain herself. This Uncle was supposedly Plato's brother.
Barb Thank you for looking.
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pam56
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 4:41 am
Post subject: Unmarried?
Just another one of my many thoughts lol
What if Piotr's parents never married and he was illg. Would he be registed under his Mother's surname even if the father was known at the time of his birth.
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pam56
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 4:45 am
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It appears that both of Piotr's parents died before February 1945. Unfortunately I found no documents in the annexes for the year 1923-24.
Hi Barb
Did you find their deaths? The dates fit in as Piotr says his Mother was deceased by 1944.
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SophiaPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:23 am
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Hi Pam,
So much happening here. To your question about deaths, you can look at the records yourself up through 1938. Of course that won't get you Piotr's mother but theoretically his father (or any other extended family member, Szyszko or Teresko). If you look here:
https://metryki.genbaza.pl/genbaza,list,389386,1
You will see that in the later years which are of interest to us, there are no birth records but they have grouped the marriage and death records together (example: 1935MZ will have marriages first, then deaths). The 1935 example is lovely, because the files ending in "sl.JPG" are the marriages and the files ending in "zg.PJG" are the deaths. So to find an index for the marriages, go to the last page of the marriages, in this case 063_sl.JPG and you can look at the index. In other years, for example 1938_MZ you are left to guess where the marriages end and the deaths begin. Hint: marriages take up a lot of space on a page, whereas deaths are smaller. So you can pick a random image somewhere near the middle of the pack, then page forward or backward until you find the marriage index (in this case, in 1938, it is 049.JPG). The files that have the "_al" ending are allegata, I think you and Barb were finding the records on FamilySearch or elsewhere and they were called annexes, same thing, but my opinion is that if you cannot find the marriage in the marriage index, why look for the annex.
To your question of illegitimate birth, yes, he would be indexed under his mother's name. But again, very hard to find any Szyszko records in Mlawa itself. Sigh.
Keep on keeping on, as they say.
Sophia
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pam56
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:28 am
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Thank you Sophia.
Yes so much to look at.
I can't believe that this family is sooooo elusive.I thought once I'd gleaned the evidence i.e dob & place of birth it would be plain sailing....how wrong was I lol.
Yes I'll carry on, been at this for years and refuse to be beaten.
I have a' to do list' as long as my arm but will keep ticking it off. Was looking at photos last night and I think once got some more info that I'd love to visit Mlawa etc.
Pam
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 2:24 pm
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Hello,
I have contacted a person from Mlawa. He said that Makowskiego Street did not exist. The closest to this is Makowa Street, which Sophia mentioned earlier.
He recommended this page on Facebook. There you can find some old photos from Mlawa.
https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=stowarzyszenia%20m%C5%82awa%20miasto%20zabytkowe
I spoke with Sophia. We suspect that Maria was not born in Mlawa and she did not get married there, either. Sophia is writing to you about something she found in Rivne.
Regards,
-Barb
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pam56
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2025 1:37 am
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Thanks Barb
I don't think so either. Neither name is showing up not even any relatives. I was looking through the marriages yesterday and couldn't find a thing.Monica [MOD] seems to think the street, Mlawa 6, Makowskiego Street was in Dzialdowo.
That sounds interesting, wonder what Sophia has.
Will check out the photos, just preparing a casserole for lunch. Coerced husband for casserole rather than a Sunday Roast. Means I can get back to the important stuff like family history lol.
Pam
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