Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2026 12:11 pm
Post subject: Zieliński/Fagasiński families from Ciążeń and Trąbczyn
My great-grandfather's parents, Jan Zieliński and Julianna Fagasińska, both were children of millers. They had several children in Wierzbocice before heading east, settling for a while in Tuliszków and later Tomaszów. My great-grandfather's parish record of mariage in Tuliszków (Bronisław Zieliński, 1906) says that he was born in Kuchary Borowe and his sister's marriage record, also in Tuliszków parish (Władysława, 1899) says that she was born in a small village on the outskirts of Tuliszków, in theory, within the same parish.
I have scoured the birth/baptism records of both parishes, and find no records for their births/baptisms, but there are records for 4 siblings born in Wierzbocice in the parish records in Ciążeń. Would the Tuliszków parish priest have verified their baptisms before performing and recording the marriages? Any thoughts/suggestions on why these two baptisms don't appear in the home parishes named? And a more general question - why might millers (both Jan and Julianna are identified as such in Władysława's marriage record) have been moving about so often, at what I think were considerable distances for the time?
Thanks for any assistance you can provide.
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2026 1:06 pm
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Hi,
If the wedding took place somewhere other than where they were born, the priest required birth certificates and had to check whether either of them had been married before.
If your great-grandparents did not own their own mill, they often moved to another place where they could find work. This is therefore often the reason why people moved from place to place.
Which specific documents are you looking for?
Regards,
-Barb
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2026 4:13 pm
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Thank you Barb for your response. You confirmed what I thought: that the parish priest should have confirmed with other parish(es) the status of the bride and groom. That is why I am confused at finding neither of these two birth/baptism records.
I am most interested in finding my great-grandfather's birth/baptism record.
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2026 5:36 pm
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Hi again,
Jan Zielinski was born in the village of Michałowo, on May 11, 1838, baptized on May 24.
Father - Krystyan Zieliński, 24 years old.
Mother - Anna Sapikowska, 21 years old.
Godparents: Antoni Sapikowski and Karolina Smigielska.
Here is his birth/baptism record. No.37.
-Barb
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2026 6:17 pm
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In addition to the 4 children you mentioned in your first post, Jan and Julianna also had the following children:
Son Jan born April 28, 1867 in Wierzbocice parish Ciążeń
Daughter Władysława born April 28, 1877 in Żuchała parish Tuliszków
Son Władysław born July 12, 1879 in Żuchała parish Tuliszków
Daughter Bolesława born December 21, 1881 in Żuchała parish Tuliszków
-Barb
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2026 10:10 pm
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Thank you again for continuing to assist me! I had Jan's birth record from Michalowo already, but can you share where you found the information about the children born in Żuchałska neighborhood of Tuliszków? An online database or actually in the parish records?
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2026 12:51 am
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Wow. Using the names and dates you provided, BarbOslo, I was able to locate Władysława's birth/baptism record (with handwriting that threw me off) and the surprise sibling records in the Tuliszków parish books. I would never have known to go looking for them otherwise.
My primary interest, Bronisław Zieliński, however, remains in hiding still. I discovered that the Kuchary Borowe records are stored as Grabienice village records; I carefully looked through those as well as the Kuchary Koscielne ones (1874-1890) at least twice, but without success. On his 1906 wedding record, he is listed as being 20 years old, but I tried to allow for error anyways.
If he was an orphan or an abandoned child that they took in, that would not be reflected in any parish books, would it?
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2026 7:28 am
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| rmcdonough wrote: | Wow. Using the names and dates you provided, BarbOslo, I was able to locate Władysława's birth/baptism record (with handwriting that threw me off) and the surprise sibling records in the Tuliszków parish books. I would never have known to go looking for them otherwise.
My primary interest, Bronisław Zieliński, however, remains in hiding still. I discovered that the Kuchary Borowe records are stored as Grabienice village records; I carefully looked through those as well as the Kuchary Koscielne ones (1874-1890) at least twice, but without success. On his 1906 wedding record, he is listed as being 20 years old, but I tried to allow for error anyways.
If he was an orphan or an abandoned child that they took in, that would not be reflected in any parish books, would it? |
Hi,
Sorry, I misread. Your great-grandfather was not Jan, but Bronisław.
Yes, it is correct that Kuchary Borowe at that time belonged to the parish of Grabienice. However, his marriage record states that the place belonged to the parish of Kuchary Kościelne. I have checked both parishes thoroughly, allowing a good margin for both first and last names. He was born around 1886.
It appears that the family moved from Wierzbocice in the parish of Ciążeń sometime after 1874. Already in 1877 they were living in Żuchała, parish of Tuliszków. There, Władysława, Władysław, and Bolesława were born. In Żuchała, the daughter Barbara and the mother Julianna also died. It was also there that both Władysława and Bronisław got married. Therefore, I would assume that the family lived there for a longer period of time.
The question then is: why was Bronisław born in a different place? Did the family move from Żuchała to Kuchary Borowe and then back again? I find it difficult to believe that he was an orphan or an abandoned child that they took in. If he was indeed born in 1886, we can also assume that at least one child was born between Bolesława and him.
What traces of the family do you have in Tomaszów, as you mention in your first post?
Was it you who created this family tree on FamilySearch?
https://www.familysearch.org/no/tree/pedigree/fanchart/LDHM-B7F
Regards,
-Barb
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2026 2:55 pm
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Yes, BarbOslo. That is the question: why was Bronisław born in a different location than the other two groups of siblings? And why is his record not found in the parish records indicated by his marriage record? A distant cousin who lives in Tuliszków but who I found through Facebook hosted me on my first visit to Poland last year. We visited the archives in Konin and found Maryanna and Bronisław's marriage record there b/c at the time, the scans were not available online for that book. We also visited the Kisiewy family farm from which all of Maryanna's family originated in the Tuliszków area. My cousin recalled a vague memory of a relative that had married long ago a hired hand who had been taken on at the farm b/c he was in some way lacking parents. That was the extant of the story.
It occurred to me yesterday that perhaps this could help explain Bronisław's odd birth/baptism record situation. If he were the orphaned niece/nephew/friend's child of Julianna and Jan Sr., or perhaps an illegitimate child of a friend or relative, could they have simply taken him into their family and given him their family name? I have seen a few other Zieliński births in one or both of the Kuchary parishes, but none with the first name Bronisław, unfortunately. If this is what had occurred, could they also have given him a new name altogether, e.g., Stanisław Kowalski >>> Bronisław Zielińśki? Were such changes formally recorded in civil records somewhere or going on informally, do you know?
You asked about Family Search. Yes, I have maintained my family tree there as best I could, but only recently, discovered that there were duplicates in the system, and merged several, including Jan and Julianna Zieliński, which led to the discovery that another person, namely Szymon Kurzawiński, had also been adding Zieliński family members. I added Władysław and Bołesław yesterday after you shared their info with me. He had not added my Bronisław. I am guessing that he is a descendant of Władysława Zielińska Kurzawiński. I am not able to establish a chat with him in FamilySearch, I am guessing b/c that function is disabled for users in Poland due to data protection laws, so I have left a few notes in FamilySearch and The Poznań Project. I was not able to find a good FB profile, so I have asked my Tuliszków cousins about him and posted general interest in the Zieliński/Fagasiński families in local announcements groups. But no hit so far. I no longer pay for access to Ancestry or MyHeritage.
I knew nothing about Jan and Julianna in Tomaszów until I ran across Wladyślawa's marriage record a few days ago that includes some strange wording about her being born in żuchala and living there with her parents, but in the next line, it mentions that her parents live in Tomaszów, which seems to be a VERY long way off from Tuliszków at a late time in their lives. Perhaps a location changed names? I will ask the Tuliszków cousins more about this.
Thanks again for all your help!!!
- R
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2026 8:02 am
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Hi,
I am still searching for Bronisław’s birth record. I have checked many neighboring parishes, but so far without success. Unfortunately, it appears that the priest may have forgotten to record his birth. The annexes to the marriage records would have been very helpful, but unfortunately they either do not exist or are not available online.
However, I can contribute some dates that I do not see in your chart.
1. Jan Zieliński married Julianna Fagasińska, May 27, 1863 in the parish of Ciążeń.
scan no.28, act no.4
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/1825520?_Jednostka_delta=20&_Jednostka_resetCur=false&_Jednostka_cur=2&_Jednostka_id_jednostki=1825520
2. Barbara Zielińska (sister of Bronisław) died in Żuchała parish Tuliszków on May 4, 1879.
scan no.158, act no.109
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/1832686?_Jednostka_delta=20&_Jednostka_resetCur=false&_Jednostka_cur=8&_Jednostka_id_jednostki=1832686
3. Roman Zieliński (brother of Bronisław) married Michalina Zawal, November 25, 1895 in the parish of Królików.
scan no.108, act no.32
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/2105142?_Jednostka_delta=20&_Jednostka_resetCur=false&_Jednostka_cur=6&_Jednostka_id_jednostki=2105142
4. Jan Zieliński (brother of Bronisław) married Ludwika Kurzawińska, May 3, 1895 in the parish of Tuliszków.
scan no.80, act no.105
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/1832703?_Jednostka_delta=20&_Jednostka_resetCur=false&_Jednostka_cur=5&_Jednostka_id_jednostki=1832703
5. Julianna Zielińska nee Fagasińska died in Dryja parish Tuliszków on January 15, 1901.
scan no.70, act no.10
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/1835573?_Jednostka_delta=20&_Jednostka_resetCur=false&_Jednostka_cur=4&_Jednostka_id_jednostki=1835573
6. Widower Jan Zieliński married Leokadia Kurzawińska, October 11, 1903 in the parish of Tuliszków.
scan no.195, act no.50
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/3118485?_Jednostka_delta=20&_Jednostka_resetCur=false&_Jednostka_cur=10&_Jednostka_id_jednostki=3118485
7. Joanna Zielińska (half-sister of Bronisław) was born on July 24, 1904 in Tuliszków parish Tuliszków.
scan no.489, act no.179
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/1931816?_Jednostka_delta=20&_Jednostka_resetCur=false&_Jednostka_cur=25&_Jednostka_id_jednostki=1931816
Jan died sometime between 1906-1930 and I assume it happened in the parish of Tuliszków. I checked the death records in the parish of Tuliszków up to 1919 but couldn't find him.
Regards,
-Barb
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2026 11:11 am
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Dzień dobry, Barb!
That is incredible! I had found a few of these records and saved them for later study, but you have put them all into context. It is interesting to me that three of the Zielińskis married Kurzawiński family members and that I had not noticed the existence of a half sibling.
I too had gone looking in other parishes for Bronisław's record...in case the Tuliszków parish priest/scribe had gotten confused and written in the wrong parish name. I looked through all the extant records from parishes within the area circled by Ciązen, Zbiersk, Turek, and Konin. I have quite a stack of notes!
Do I understand correctly that parishes in this region made in late 1800s/early 1900s at least one copy of their sacramental books to be held in a diocesan archive? If so, is it possible to request access to that copy? It would be helpful to know if his birth was just missed as a copying error, or not. When I first started my genealogy research, I reached out to the archives in Rzeszów due to lack of accessible church books for a different great-grandparent's parish in that area, and received a very unfriendly response...
I really can not thank you enough for all the data you have located and suggestions you have shared.
- Rosanne
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2026 8:03 am
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Hi Rosanne and Barb,
Since you are immersed in records from the Tuliszkow parish, you might find it interesting that those parish records were analyzed for a study which was published in a journal of epidemiology, regarding the cholera epidemic of 1831. This link will take you to the article in both English and Polish:
https://www.przeglepidemiol.pzh.gov.pl/pdf-180928-101491?filename=Analiza%20zgonow%20w%20parafii.pdf
Aside from the statistics provided in the article, there are other interesting points such as which archives they obtained records from (see the "Materials and Methods" section) as well as an explanation of cholera including what was known then versus what is known now.
For Jan Zielinski, who was born in 1838, this epidemic must have meant that he grew up surrounded by people who had lived through it and he probably knew children who had been orphaned by it. Could that have influenced him at a later age to take in an orphan? Perhaps. Rosanne, you'd have to go back to the records and look for any child named Bronislaw who was born in the right time frame, and see if his parents subsequently died, if you wanted to explore the orphan idea. On the whole, though, I tend to agree with Barb that he was not an orphan but rather his birth was either not recorded or perhaps recorded with an error. I do see in Tuliszkow that the name Żyliński also was present. Not sure if that helps you.
I hope you are able to find your Bronislaw.
Sophia
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2026 12:17 pm
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Hello,
Good to hear from you, Sophia.
Rosanne, it is true that the church books had copies, one or two. For the area we are interested in, I have no knowledge of whether these still exist in the archives. If they do exist, I do not believe they will be digitized in the first round. There are many other priorities.
I have seen that your tree on FamilySearch lists Bronislaw’s date of birth as October 1883. I assume this information was taken from some of his American documents. The Polish marriage record, however, gives an estimated year of birth around 1886 and states the place as Kuchary Borowe. None of the parishes I have searched have produced any results.
If he was born in 1883, then in my opinion he is the youngest of the siblings. If he was born closer to 1886, this suggests that there may have been a brother or sister between the last confirmed birth, which took place in the parish of Tuliszki in 1881. The same marriage record states that Kuchary Borowe belonged to the parish of Kuchary Kościelne. I investigated this and was told that it was actually the parish of Grabienice.
I went one step further and tried to find traces of Jan and Julianna in these two parishes. I wanted to see whether the two of them appeared as witnesses or godparents for family members or neighbors, which was very common at the time. It was not unusual to see the same person acting as a witness at several baptisms on the same day. To my surprise, they did not appear in either Kuchary Kościelne or Grabienice. I should emphasize that I have not read through all the records.
I did find a Jan Zielinski who was a miller in the parish of Kuchary Kościelne, but he was younger than your Jan, and eventually I discovered that his wife’s name was Marianna. This allowed us to almost rule out these two parishes as the most likely ones, but only… almost.
It takes a lot of time, but checking neighboring parishes for Jan and Julianna may have given some results. Or Sophia's suggestion to search for the first name Bronislaw. Fortunately, this is not a popular first name, which may make it easier to find.
-Barb
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2026 12:18 am
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Sophia - thank you for the information about the cholera study. that sounds very interesting and I have bookmarked it for later study. I also appreciate your idea of researching each Bronisław in the Kuchary and Grabienice parish books and look for potential parent deaths. So far, I have found a birth in 1886, village of Główiew, Kuchary Kosciele parish. I think the infant's name is Bronisław Miedziński. I will need to investigate potential parent deaths tomorrow.
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/skan/-/skan/9f0f1be689bdaf55ecdc509b890ba7476269e48581c8c85b466ca066e6859c4e scan 153 act 27
Barb - many thanks to you as well for the date and name corrections. Yes, Bronisław's death date was based on information provided by his family for his government-issued death certificate, based on best guess, I imagine. Some of the others have data entered by other folks whose work I have not checked thoroughly. Some of them are likely my errors as well. I have some homework to do!
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