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mcdonald0517
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:31 pm Post subject:

Hi Alexho,

I found an indexed record for Michaels death that has enough information to validate this is your ancestor. The image of the actual dear certificate was not available. But, you can order it Online from the Cook County Clerk office Once the offices are reopened - they are closed for COVID. Here is the link to order the certificate

https://www.cookcountyclerkil.gov/service/genealogy-records

Here is the text of the index

Michael Ciesielski
in the Illinois, U.S., Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
Name: Michael Ciesielski
Birth Date: abt 1890
Birth Place: Poland
Death Date: 24 May 1927
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date: 27 May 1927
Burial Place: Hammond, Illinois
Cemetery Name: Holy Cross
Death Age: 37
Occupation: Laborer
Race: White
Marital status: M
Gender: Male
Residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name: Joseph Ciesielski
Father Birth Place: Poland
Mother Name: Anna
Mother Birth Place: Poland
Spouse Name: Frances Ciesielski
FHL Film Number: 1877970

Here is the link to the record on Family Search

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3HT-JMZ

Also, this information confirms that the link you have for the Find a grave Is correct.

Best from California,
Cynthia

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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Michal Ciesielski - son of Jozef Ciesielski and Anna Kry

alexho wrote:

I´m looking for information about Michal Ciesielski.
He was baptized in Dobrów
Great Poland in the year 1889
According to an email from my Polish family, he migrated to the United States. According to her information, he got married and they became one child. He died in a young age.
"Moja mama mówiła, że twój dziadek Aleksander Ciesielski i Michał Ciesielski (syn Józef Ciesielski i Anna Krygier) uciekli przed carskim poborem do wojska i Aleksander dostał się do Danii a Michał pojechał do USA do Chicago. Pracował tam w rzeźni i młodo zmarł na wyrostek robaczkowy. Miał żonę i małego synka, którzy zostali po jego śmierci. Wyjechał w tym czasie co Twój dziadek Aleksander Ciesielski. Więcej informacji moja mama nie zna".
From Find a Grave : https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/145082898/michael-ciesielski ( I'm not sure if it's the same person)
From Ellis Island : Ciesielski, Michal1913 Policzi, Russia Rotterdam(It could be him, but I'm not sure) Where is Policzi? My Michal is from Police Mostowe, Praksedow or Janow
I have tried if I could find something about his marriage but without success.
Best regards from Denmark

Hi Alex & Cynthia,

I believe that the Find A Grave memorial is for your Michał. The civil death records list his parents as Joseph & Anna and his wife as Frances. This matches the Burial Record from Holy Cross Cemetery in Calumet City. I know that the civil death record states that Holy Cross was in Hammond, Illinois but that can be easily explained. Calumet City was once kinown as Sobieski, Illinois and then as West Hammond, Illinois. The Cook County Marriage Index states that Michael married Frances Golden in 1921. The PGSA indexed his obituary and a copy can be obtained from the society for a fee. Here are links to records which almost certainly are for your Michael.

Holy Cross Burial Record: Holy Cross Cemetery; St. John Section Lot 576 Transferred from Section H Grave 457 on 10 September, 1929
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-69H7-HWH?i=1057&cc=1503083&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQ2HJ-731G

Civil Death Record: Parents: Joseph Ciesielski & Anna; Spouse: Frances
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3HT-JMZ

Second Civil Death Record Index;Death: 24 May, 1927; Burial: 27 May, 1927 Holy Cross Cemetery; Parents: Joseph Ciesielski & Anna; Spouse: Frances
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLYR-T4CY

Cook County Civil Marriage Index; Date: 21 September 1921 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q21J-68V1

Death Notice of Michał from Dziennik Chicagoski https://pgsa.org/people-death/157813/?surname=ciesielski&first_name=&type=wild-card&results-start=20

There is a 1910 Federal Census which could be your Michael. Although that record places him living at 8429 S. Buffalo in South Chicago and working in the steel mill (United States Steel South Works) whereas at the time of his death he was living on Sawyer Avenue there are several clues which indicate that it may be worthwhile exploring the possibility that the Census is for your Michael. Many men who lived in that area worked in the stock yards, which would square with what you were told about his occupation being a butcher. In my opinion, the first clue is that he was buried in Holy Cross Cemetery, which was the cemetery of choice for Poles from South Chicago. Someone who lived on Sawyer Avenue and had no connection to South Chicago would more likely have been buried in Resurrection Cemetery. The second clue is personal to me. I grew up in South Chicago and remember a Golden Family which belonged to St. Michael parish. One member of that family was one or two grades ahead of me in elementary school. The maiden name of his wife was Golden and as far as I remember there was only one extended family with that surname in South Chicago. Anyway, I believe it could be something worthwhile checking. Link to the Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RJ5-L9M?i=37&cc=1727033&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMKCC-V13

During the time I was in high school during the early 1960s I had a summer job working at Holy Cross Cemetery. Michael’s burial record states that he was first buried in a grave in Section H and two years later was transferred to a lot in St. John Section. The graves in Section H were “term graves” which had a expiration date (25 years after the final burial there). Sometimes families transferred bodies from a term grave to a “perpetual care” grave. All the lots in St. John Section are perpetual care lots. Attached is a map of Holy Cross. Section H is along the fence line on the western edge of the cemetery and St. John Section is near the main cemetery entrance across from the cemetery office.
I hope that you find this information useful.
Wishing you continued success,
Dave

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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:15 pm Post subject:

Hi Cynthia. Thank you so much. It appears from his bitrh/batism record from Dobrów that he was born in 1889. I did not know whether the data (1890) from the other sources were right.
Best regards from Denmark

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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:19 pm Post subject:

Hi Dave.
Thank you so much .

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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:20 am Post subject: I am still looking for information about Anastazja Ziemba .

I am still looking for information about Anastazja Ziemba maidenname Ciesielska. She was born in Poland - Praksedow in 1891 Mother Anna Krygier and father Jozef Ciesielski. Anastazja married Francizek Ziemba 1912 in Poland, Dobrow and came to the United States in 1913. Anastazja. Anastasia left her husband in 1927. Divorce 1930 in Illinois.

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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:22 am Post subject:

Hi
Are you looking for Anastazja's birth record? She was born on December 6, 1891 in Praksedow, and married Franciszek on November 12, 1912.

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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:44 am Post subject:

Hi
No, I have the baptism certificate, marriage certificate and the the divorce papers from 1930.
I don't know if she left the US after she got divorced. Did she remarry and when did she die?

Best regard from Denmark

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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:59 am Post subject:

alexho wrote:

Hi Alexho,

If you have the detailed records from the divorce in 1930 from the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illlinois, it should say whether she was asking to have her maiden name re-instated. That would tell you whether to search for Anastazja Ziemba or Anastazja Ciesielka in the U.S. records after 1930. Also, whether she had anglicized her name by that point. Anastasia? Anna?

Best regards,
Sophia

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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:59 am Post subject:

Hi Sophia
Francizek was asked about what happened on February 4, 1927? What happened when she left you?
He couldn't tell the judge where she went.
That was the last time he and the four children saw her.

Anastazia was not present at the divorce in 1930

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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: I am still looking for information about Anastazja Ziemb

alexho wrote:

Hi Alexho,

I'm still looking to see if I find anything on Anastazja. However, I do want to know if you needed any other records on the Ziemba children?

I have the following:
1920 Census
1940 Census
Steven's Baptismal record
Kazimierz's Baptismal record
Franciszek Ziemba's naturalization record
Obituaries for: Edward, Helen, and Estelle

If you need any of this information, I can send it to you.
Trish

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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:18 pm Post subject:

Hi Trish,

I have Steven's Report of Birth. I have Kazimiera's Report of birth and her Certificate and Record of Death.
I have Franciszek Ziemba's naturalization record.
I don't have the obituaries for Edward, Helen, and Estelle.
I don't have the baptismal record.

Please send them and thank you in advance.
Best regads from Denmark.

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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 3:22 pm Post subject:

alexho wrote:

Hi Alexho,
I sent you a private message with the records.

Regards,
Trish

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